Plan B

[Walterp]

Il n’existe pas, as my French teacher (who has just had a Home Office demand to prove her 'stay' in the UK, even though she has lived here longer than in France, married and raised a family here, and has taught in UK State schools until her recent retirement) might say.

There will be no new EU27 concessions. Theresa May is just trying to run down the clock so MPs are forced to choose between her draft treaty, or the sacred wind. The swivel-eyed ones now see - too late, I suspect - they have over-played their hand.

So what happens next?

1. Incompetent politicians - having made promises they cannot keep - will freeze in the oncoming headlights. Because if we did exit without a treaty there would be no 'backstop' for NI so that the EU27 would have to pressure us into adopting one. That means punitive measures - all the things that Brexiters claim are unthinkable, because they will be too damaging.

Simple mercantilism works every time, all the time when a large economy faces a bigger one - the EU27 will inflict them on us and on them, until we basically agree to do what we promised.

Just ask Mr Trump.

2. Less incompetent politicians will sense this weakness, and move in for the kill. Jeremy Corbyn has now confounded his many critics and tabled a motion for a free vote, including a People's Vote.

It was inevitable.

 

[Daniel Larn]

Il n’existe pas, as my French teacher (who has just had a Home Office demand to prove her 'stay' in the UK, even though she has lived here longer than in France, married and raised a family here, and has taught in UK State schools until her recent retirement) might say.

There will be no new EU27 concessions. Theresa May is just trying to run down the clock so MPs are forced to choose between her draft treaty, or the sacred wind. The swivel-eyed ones now see - too late, I suspect - they have over-played their hand.

So what happens next?

1. Incompetent politicians - having made promises they cannot keep - will freeze in the oncoming headlights. Because if we did exit without a treaty there would be no 'backstop' for NI so that the EU27 would have to pressure us into adopting one. That means punitive measures - all the things that Brexiters claim are unthinkable, because they will be too damaging.

Simple mercantilism works every time, all the time when a large economy faces a bigger one - the EU27 will inflict them on us and on them, until we basically agree to do what we promised.

Just ask Mr Trump.

2. Less incompetent politicians will sense this weakness, and move in for the kill. Jeremy Corbyn has now confounded his many critics and tabled a motion for a free vote, including a People's Vote.

It was inevitable.

The problem was always a lack of a viable plan A, there was nothing but empty promises and bravado from day 1!

I have started to come around to the idea of Brexit now. I want the country to begin to fall apart so that we have to look inward and change the way all of politics works in the UK.

It's not Europe that has failed us, it's our governments.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The problem was always a lack of a viable plan A, there was nothing but empty promises and bravado from day 1!

I have started to come around to the idea of Brexit now. I want the country to begin to fall apart so that we have to look inward and change the way all of politics works in the UK.

It's not Europe that has failed us, it's our governments.

I think the last two years has proved this admirably. The UK is now incapable of governing itself for either the benefit of the population, or the wider global community. The government and parliament cannot see, or have no wish to look beyond their own petty tribal squabbles. In a word Brexit was too complex before, so they handed it to the public to have a go. They then handed it back to the with a fairly indecisive result on a very vague question which the government still clueless how to take forward. Not exactly projecting the image of a bold and dynamic major world player.

 

[Daniel Larn]

I think the last two years has proved this admirably. The UK is now incapable of governing itself for either the benefit of the population, or the wider global community. The government and parliament cannot see, or have no wish to look beyond their own petty tribal squabbles. In a word Brexit was too complex before, so they handed it to the public to have a go. They then handed it back to the with a fairly indecisive result on a very vague question which the government still clueless how to take forward. Not exactly projecting the image of a bold and dynamic major world player.

We are a major player, but right now we are too busy playing with ourselves in the corner while the rest of the world looks on with morbid curiosity.

I think Britain needs a decisive leadership right now, and at the moment there is no hope for one within any of the parties at the table.

Conservative arrogance on one side, divided internally by Brexit. Labour on the surface could be a uniting force, but I think they only appear that way because they have the advantage of trying to undermine the current government.

Huge changes to the system are required, to hold governments accountable for promises made, and to give them the power to bring in the policies they were elected on.

 

[Ashtree]

Plan B .......

How about plan A first???

 

[Muck Spreader]

We are a major player, but right now we are too busy playing with ourselves in the corner while the rest of the world looks on with morbid curiosity.

I think Britain needs a decisive leadership right now, and at the moment there is no hope for one within any of the parties at the table.

Conservative arrogance on one side, divided internally by Brexit. Labour on the surface could be a uniting force, but I think they only appear that way because they have the advantage of trying to undermine the current government.

Huge changes to the system are required, to hold governments accountable for promises made, and to give them the power to bring in the policies they were elected on.

It could well usher in a new era of PR and thus new political parities. This should hopefully allow the public to become more engaged in the political process, if they can see that their vote does actually make a difference. Additionally any attempt in the future to rejoin the EU would demand that the UK did adopt political reforms in order to become more democratic.

 

[Agrivator]

Why don't folk realise two things:

1. The EU is united because they all agree on one thing - they are utterly dismayed that the UK is leaving and wish to reverse our decision.

2. The UK is more or less split ( the public at least 60:40? and the MPs and media with a reverse opinion at say 40:60 and 30:70 respectively)

So there is bound to be a bit of a ding-dong both on here, in the media and in the Parliament.

But that doesn't mean we are in disarray, it means that democracy is alive and well, and I suspect the rest of the world is in admiration at the way we are behaving. It's just a pity that the Remainers can't come to terms with the result of the Referendum and try to be a bit more constructive.

 

[czechmate]

Why don't folk realise two things:

1. The EU is united because they all agree on one thing - they are utterly dismayed that the UK is leaving and wish to reverse our decision.

2. The UK is more or less split ( the public at least 60:40? and the MPs and media with a reverse opinion at say 40:60 and 30:70 respectively)

So there is bound to be a bit of a ding-dong both on here, in the media and in the Parliament.

But that doesn't mean we are in disarray, it means that democracy is alive and well, and I suspect the rest of the world is in admiration at the way we are behaving. It's just a pity that the Remainers can't come to terms with the result of the Referendum and try to be a bit more constructive.

“ and I suspect the rest of the world is in admiration at the way we are behaving.”

Well I know we are only 23rd January but that is definitely the funniest thing I have seen so far this year

 

[Muck Spreader]

Why don't folk realise two things:

1. The EU is united because they all agree on one thing - they are utterly dismayed that the UK is leaving and wish to reverse our decision.

2. The UK is more or less split ( the public at least 60:40? and the MPs and media with a reverse opinion at say 40:60 and 30:70 respectively)

So there is bound to be a bit of a ding-dong both on here, in the media and in the Parliament.

But that doesn't mean we are in disarray, it means that democracy is alive and well, and I suspect the rest of the world is in admiration at the way we are behaving. It's just a pity that the Remainers can't come to terms with the result of the Referendum and try to be a bit more constructive.

Why is it the Remainers fault for being unable or unwilling to sort this mess out.. How about the Leavers actually coming up with a plan, preferably that doesn't involve bankrupting the country?

 

[Agrivator]

The last two posts prove my point. The Remoaners are unwilling to make any constructive contribution.

 

[Still Farming]

Corbyn's lot will not meet or talk about it STILL ?

 

[czechmate]

The last two posts prove my point. The Remoaners are unwilling to make any constructive contribution.

I thought my post was highly constructive
I assume you see your future as a comedian?

 

[czechmate]

Corbyn's lot will not meet or talk about it STILL ?

Well they are leavers.

 

[Still Farming]

Well they are leavers.

R they !

 

[bobk]

Why is it the Remainers fault for being unable or unwilling to sort this mess out.. How about the Leavers actually coming up with a plan, preferably that doesn't involve bankrupting the country?

The remainers plan is to remain , not particulary inspiring . and 2 fingers to the electorate

 

[czechmate]

The remainers plan is to remain , not particulary inspiring . and 2 fingers to the electorate

Half of them

 

[bobk]

Half of them

Hold on cowboy ..... not exactly , most female Labour remain MP's represent 60-70% leave consits , so a few more .
Heard one this morning with adam boulton , nearly threw a brick at the tv , apparently ... they need another vote because they weren't voting for no deal .... no missus they voted LEAVE ... stupid woman

 

[czechmate]

Hold on cowboy ..... not exactly , most female Labour remain MP's represent 60-70% leave consits , so a few more .
Heard one this morning with adam boulton , nearly threw a brick at the tv , apparently ... they need another vote because they weren't voting for no deal .... no missus they voted LEAVE ... stupid woman

I meant half of the electorate

 

[bobk]

I meant half of the electorate

I know what you meant .

 

[czechmate]

I know what you meant .

I don’t understand your post then but I will admit to being very tired now, running around sorting out all the things I need to whilst still a eu citizen