Yet again a stupid thing brought in by ill informed Tories who then try & blame everyone else for rising house prices, it's the same with sewage in the rivers, massive house building forced on councils by central government with no thought of just who is going to pay for the expansion of sewage works needed, these last ten years we have had the worst most stupid government in my lifetime I'm ashamed to say & the sooner they are gone the better!
Planning uplift
- Thread starter Exfarmer
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- Location
- South Wales UK
Same old story.my son lives in a crummy little flat, that is exclusively my opinion,2 beds worth £1M, my daughter lives in an average 4 bed in a provincial town worth 500K. My son not married and my Daughter married, both on very good wages tell me it would be extremely difficult for them to purchase today without parental help. What is the outlook for millions of these kids who will be on the minimum wage.
My wife's father had 6 children lived in a council house all his life, all 6 went on to own their own homes with no help from above.
The market is screwed 100% and I think the illegal immigrants can not be having that great an effect when they arrive here with just a suitcase.
You got nothing, you get everything.
The State needs expensive property, we are a service economy, and that needs punters to pay mortgages, take out life insurances to cover the mortgages if we die, pay insurance in case the roof blows off our mortgaged property, to rent a new car on a PIP scheme to stand on the driveway of our mortgaged property, etc. You must then pay into a pension scheme, on the basis that when you have eventually paid off all these commitments, you might have some life left when you stop earning money, and will have to pay for it somehow.
Those that cannot buy have to pay exorbitant rents to other people, so that they can pay off their buy to let mortgages.
This is a virtuous circle for the money men, who, when they could no longer fleece The Empire of its minerals and sweated labour, came home to Blighty to farm the people here instead.
Triples all round.
Those that cannot buy have to pay exorbitant rents to other people, so that they can pay off their buy to let mortgages.
This is a virtuous circle for the money men, who, when they could no longer fleece The Empire of its minerals and sweated labour, came home to Blighty to farm the people here instead.
Triples all round.
warksfarmer
Member
Slightly off track but -
In 2000 the UK population was 59 million (google). In 2024 its 68 million (google). I am sure it does not work quite like this but thats an increase of 375,000 per year.
Generally migrants go to the developed areas rather than the likes of the highlands in scotland I think we'd all agree on.
GOV.uk land use stats say that 8.7% of land is developed which equates to 1.14 million ha. This includes industial estates, quarries, residential, towns etc so this is where the 375,000 every year coming in will head to because that's where the cheap council type houses are, the infrastructure for public transport etc. If they dont have those facilities then they cant exist in this country.
So why is it that you cant get your car looked at by a main dealer for 3 months, everybody is short staffed, the nhs is barely functioning, hospitality industry is shutting down, trains dont run, airport are in disarray, theres no taxi's any more etc etc. What are all these people actually doing? The answer is nothing and just claiming benefits to sit at home whilst concocting their next scam they can run to con somebody.
I have no issue with migrants who come here to work, pay tax's etc. We need them, so we should welcome them, but the ones just jumping onto the freebie bus should be sent back to where they came from. They arent our problem.
- Location
- leics/warks border
House prices are a result of supply and demand. Too many people, too few houses ?
Government has always rationed supply, to keep up prices, for the benefit of the financial institutions.
Anyone who believes the 300,000 new homes a year rhetoric is deluded, the situation where sufficient supply reduces values will never be allowed to happen.
Anyone who believes the 300,000 new homes a year rhetoric is deluded, the situation where sufficient supply reduces values will never be allowed to happen.
The truth is we don't "need" them, there are already more than enough people in the country to fend for it's self, an ever expanding population simply makes the problem worse, young people are coerced into staying into extended education so when they leave collage with massive borrowings they are only looking for the best paying jobs or the ones they consider most secure working for the state, 14 years of Tory influence has made this country not able to sustain it's self,
Swarfmonkey
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- Location
- Hampshire
Net migration was 672,000 last year. An optimistic occupancy rate of 4 per property would mean that you'd need 168,000 extra "dwelling units" to house them, in reality it'd be more than that. Bear in mind that's just one year...
As to the rest of it, blame the benefits system. It's too easy not to work these days. The rot really started with Gordon Brown's tax credits.
warksfarmer
Member
But there clearly is not enough people to work though. Marshall Landrover dealer in Leicester has got 1 person to diagnose issues on vehicles. That's whether they are brand new under warranty or 5 years old. Listers VW commercial centre in Coventry has a 12 week wait to look at a vehicle.
I know construction people who cannot get labourers, machine operators etc.
If we do have enough people then we need to literally cease all benefits to none british citizens and then see how long they stay or how long before they go and get jobs.
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
The real issue of the housing crisis is the very low occupancy density and this is most pronounced in the "English" population. The migrant population tend to have far higher occupancy whereas every single white person believes they are entitled to housing in their own house or flat and if they have a child they have a legal right to one.
In fact it is worse than that, as it can be for benefits, even beneficial for parents to live on their own.
And don't speak about all the old farts out their living out their retirement in a large five bedroom house and we even still share a bed
You can't really believe a country with 68 million hasn't enough people to work, what we have is not enough people prepared to work, an ever expanding population doesn't alter that fact.
With the price of houses & rents it's a clever single person affording a large house or flat, people have always lived in their own homes all their lives, why the hell shouldn't they if they have .worked hard to buy itThe real issue of the housing crisis is the very low occupancy density and this is most pronounced in the "English" population. The migrant population tend to have far higher occupancy whereas every single white person believes they are entitled to housing in their own house or flat and if they have a child they have a legal right to one.
In fact it is worse than that, as it can be for benefits, even beneficial for parents to live on their own.
And don't speak about all the old farts out their living out their retirement in a large five bedroom house and we even still share a bed
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
yes and an even bigger percentage who work part time but after adding on the Universal credit receive more than if they worked full time. thus ensuring that the workforce while increasing is actually turning in less hours
wanton dwarf
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If they wanted cheap housing then they'd ban foreign investors for a start, corporates & rent-a-room
Enable people to build their own houses, which they avoid at all costs
MPs & Civil Servants will just keep the money for themselves by hook or crook, Greed turned up to 11
wanton dwarf
Member
The real issue of the housing crisis is the very low occupancy density and this is most pronounced in the "English" population. The migrant population tend to have far higher occupancy whereas every single white person believes they are entitled to housing in their own house or flat and if they have a child they have a legal right to one.
In fact it is worse than that, as it can be for benefits, even beneficial for parents to live on their own.
And don't speak about all the old farts out their living out their retirement in a large five bedroom house and we even still share a bed
You mean slum housing with the all violence & unsocial living that goes with that ?
Who benefits from destroying UK culture bringing in 3rd world conditions ? Banks
No thanks, rather have a civil war
- Location
- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I think for many years we have built fewer houses than are needed, so supply and demand has inflated prices, and when there are less houses available than needed, the extra immigrants add to the problem. Planning is a big part of the problem, and the fact that our economy is biased towards the south east, so we have people moving to there as well, and I don't think we have been training enough builders either (we have another issue in the UK with starving FE of funding, while throwing money at HE).my son lives in a crummy little flat, that is exclusively my opinion,
My wife's father had 6 children lived in a council house all his life, all 6 went on to own their own homes with no help from above.
The market is screwed 100% and I think the illegal immigrants can not be having that great an effect when they arrive here with just a suitcase.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Ive not seen any government keen on reducing house prices. If they were keen, they could consider ways to unpick building companies cross-ownership of machinery / equipment hire such as to generate very little "profit" in building houses. Reducing land prices would simply result in more and more brown-envelopes being passed around.
One option would be remove the need for planning permission and have it be a free for all....
One option would be remove the need for planning permission and have it be a free for all....
Swarfmonkey
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- Location
- Hampshire
The immigrants haven't been adding to the problem, they are the problem. The total fertility rate for the natives has been less than replacement rate for a couple of decades now. That means that the only way the population could have grown in the way it has is through immigration. That's why demand is far outstripping supply.
Totally agree with FE getting screwed over. I would close the lowest ranked universities (the bottom 1/3 rd) and put the £ into FE, trade schools, and financial support for proper apprenticeships.
Who was the leader that said education education education? Clue it wasn't a Tory. Blair started the uni for everyone nonsense, of course we can look further back to Barbara castle ending the 11 plus that was the start of the everyone should do an office job thinking instead of getting those not academically bright into a wealth creating trade. You say the Tories are bad and I would agree but a labour minister started the demise of skilled workers and a Labour prime minister finally made working with your hands a second class career
The best one could hope for is a correction over an extended period, a fall in real value over a decade or two. A direct and immediate fall caused by massive distortion would have a massive impact on those heavily borrowed against a property.
The only way it might work is for a local authority to take on a percentage of a large development for affordable (with Govt funding from taxpayers) and have that percentage of land at a reduced rate. There would need to be some thorough pricing and watching of building contractors to avoid a massive pee take. Another problem that seems to arise is with so-called affordable housing being lumped into one area of a development, causing almost ghetto like environments.