Pnemonia

[Jdunn55]

That was on vet advice idea being dectomax only lasts for a certain period of time so calves will pick up worms before the next dose so they build there own immunity
You have to be careful with worming or you could have a case of no immunity animals

Always used to use dectomax in dad's suckler calves and got on well

 

[In the pit]

Why worm second season ?

Lung worm
Used to use huskvac second season but moved to pour on as was easier

 

[Hampton]

I think @som farmer comment was constructive. If Resflor is doing the job it’s worth the money. What are you going to do, try something else to find that it doesn’t work?

I agree, medicines that work are not expensive compared to the alternative.
I do hate resflor though, it’s like injecting gear oil.
I tend to use draxxin instead

 

[frederick]

Yes was just change of environment from what I see, last no more than a week and dung hardened again, few were a bit low off food hit them with resflor and within 6-12 hours they picked right up again, resflor quite dear wondering is there something similar on marker that does the job of resflor

Zeleris I believe is same antibiotic as resflor but different anti inflammatory and believe it's cheaper.

 

[som farmer]

last 6/7 yrs, use cydectin la at turnout, for year one calves, 1 jab lasts all season, and we find it works well, we worm again, after housing, for a clear up, we haven't had trouble with lung worm, yet.
Always fluke and worm cows at drying off, there is some evidence suggesting we should not worm the cows, undecided on that.
Never to old to learn, this is a complete first, to us, and the vet, cow not 'right', and vet coming out, look at this, as soon as in crush, she started to expel clear fluid, from her nostrils, anyway usual heart check, temp, and arm up the ass, fresh calver, and metritis,, the weird thing, every time vet pushed her arm in a bit, clear fluid would shoot out of her nostrils, like she blew out 3 or 4 litres !!!! Weird.

 

[lazy farmer]

We have wormed a few heifers over the yrs if looking a bit light and have treated a few for lung worm. Have never wormed cows as a policy. Have no desire to be killing my dung beetles or increase resistance

 

[som farmer]

We have wormed a few heifers over the yrs if looking a bit light and have treated a few for lung worm. Have never wormed cows as a policy. Have no desire to be killing my dung beetles or increase resistance

we worm, or fluke animals, if they are looking 'off', fluke is relatively easy to diagnose, they get slightly bottle jawed. Worms, thin, loose etc.
The reason we may stop worming cows, they should have developed resistance to them, and, dung beetles, are very useful.
We have wormed and fluked at drying off, for years, assuming we were doing a good thing, then you find out, it's not, a wake up call, re routine worming practice. Actually monitor the calf shite, when out, to make sure the d/beetles are working, but didn't apply the logic to cows.

 

[dkc2018]

You could vaccinate with rispoval intranasel or if using a antibiotic try hexasol.

I have bought hexasol so I’ll give that a go thanks

 

[In the pit]

we worm, or fluke animals, if they are looking 'off', fluke is relatively easy to diagnose, they get slightly bottle jawed. Worms, thin, loose etc.
The reason we may stop worming cows, they should have developed resistance to them, and, dung beetles, are very useful.
We have wormed and fluked at drying off, for years, assuming we were doing a good thing, then you find out, it's not, a wake up call, re routine worming practice. Actually monitor the calf shite, when out, to make sure the d/beetles are working, but didn't apply the logic to cows.

Some of the systems you run are very strange indeed

 

[som farmer]

%Some of the systems you run are very strange indeed

what, never seen fluke symptoms ? You surprise me, thought that was well known, well before badly afflicted signs, usually right 90% of the time.
Worming cows, well intentioned, but perhaps not so good.
Monitoring dung beetles, gives you a very good sign of soil health, now becoming much more important, with the cost of N.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

what, never seen fluke symptoms ? You surprise me, thought that was well known, well before badly afflicted signs, usually right 90% of the time.
Worming cows, well intentioned, but perhaps not so good.
Monitoring dung beetles, gives you a very good sign of soil health, now becoming much more important, with the cost of N.

Johnes, salmonella, some deficiencies.... All lead to bottle jaw, scour and condition loss.

If you're waiting until stock look wormy/flukey then you're losing months of growth or milk.

 

[In the pit]

You feed whole milk to calves without really knowing your johnes status of every cow
You whole herd worm
You worm or fluke cows if there looking “off”
You need to sit with a vet ,get protocols in place and stick to them

 

[som farmer]

Johnes, salmonella, some deficiencies.... All lead to bottle jaw, scour and condition loss.

If you're waiting until stock look wormy/flukey then you're losing months of growth or milk.

usually the first signs are 'bottle jaw', the idea is not to let them get to the scour/thin state.
Johnes, just done our herd test, 1 high, 5 mediums, only 1 of which actually got i/c, and only 1 was 'johnes' in previous tests, which just shows how hard eradication, will be.

 

[som farmer]

You feed whole milk to calves without really knowing your johnes status of every cow
You whole herd worm
You worm or fluke cows if there looking “off”
You need to sit with a vet ,get protocols in place and stick to them

we do, and we are profitable.
we were discussing acid milk, tb, and johnes, today. Any cow, with a high, or medium johnes, is not bred to dairy, nor is its milk/colostrum used, l think quite a few farms feed pooled colostrum, in the first few days, as for the johnes risk, you can never be quite sure of a cows status, we have just had 4 older cows, come back as mediums, they had all tested low, several times. At least acidifying the milk, and leaving for a few days, is meant to kill johnes, and, very interestingly, TB, which the vet told us today.
With misleading results, johnes is going to be difficult to eradicate, l believe you need 3 positive tests, to be certain, hence you get J1, J2, J3 and 4, announced at sales, it makes little difference, to the end price.
So, we are taking a lot more care, than many others.

 

[In the pit]

Acidifying milk doesn’t kill johnes!!!!
As you’ve said you can’t be sure of a cows status so it is simple to me colostrum from own mum to her own calf then straight onto powdered milk, but as you’ve said” we’ve saved a lot of money not feeding powder”
I do not get this j1 j2 etc etc rubbish, they have got johnes or they haven’t end off

 

[Beef farmer]

usually the first signs are 'bottle jaw', the idea is not to let them get to the scour/thin state.
Johnes, just done our herd test, 1 high, 5 mediums, only 1 of which actually got i/c, and only 1 was 'johnes' in previous tests, which just shows how hard eradication, will be.

As a flying herd buying from everywhere you only had 1 high? How many sampled?

 

[In the pit]

As a flying herd buying from everywhere you only had 1 high? How many sampled?

And selling cows on

 

[som farmer]

As a flying herd buying from everywhere you only had 1 high? How many sampled?

everything in milk, only ever get very low numbers, and l am definitely not complaining. It is a disease that shows up, as cows get aged, and we have plenty of older cows, so surprising.

 

[som farmer]

And selling cows on

as do many others, and we stand behind every milker we sell, anything wrong, is put right. And, we would never knowingly sell a johnes med, or high test cow, unlike many, who do. Or, like many farmers, that are perfectly happy, buying johnes positive cows, despite being told the status. And that is something l cannot understand.

 

[In the pit]

as do many others, and we stand behind every milker we sell, anything wrong, is put right. And, we would never knowingly sell a johnes med, or high test cow, unlike many, who do. Or, like many farmers, that are perfectly happy, buying johnes positive cows, despite being told the status. And that is something l cannot understand.

You need to Google up on johnes
There’s a good webinar on the current johnes thinking
It’s a very good eatch