Is there much grain in Scotland that doesn’t need drying? I would have thought most of it would have to go through a dryer
Pre harvest roundup banned
- Thread starter glasshouse
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- Limousin/Charentes toad land
do they give glyphosate away, free of charge, in Scotland ?
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
What is the story on Roundup usage en France now Mark?
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- Limousin/Charentes toad land
not allowed as a pre harvest desiccant unless you have weeds, I gather… and not allowed within a year before ploughing (more relevant to myself).
they are not keen on glyphosate or ploughing here
. But have fortunately realised they can’t prohibit both at the same time without some new alternatives.oh, for about 3 years they have used the carrot rather than a stick and will pay us an amount (per farm
) for not using glyphosate in the year. This amount seems to go up each year and is now around 2k, maybe 2.5/year.maybe you can advise…. I have a very well drained piece of ground which was supposed to be luzerne/cocksfoot, sown August 22. Was probably too late for the luzerne and it died through the winter leaving thinish pure cocksfoot, which isn’t much use to me (although at the mo it is outwintering cattle)
as I havnt drilled any cereal ground, and this is good dry ground and the grass is assisting, I intend to sow cereal late January. I have a Moore direct, I would love to have confidence in getting a good crop
, or for safety I would plough… but then I can’t use glyphosate…
I don’t have a thousand acres and still use it every year would need a lot more dryer capacity without it
If you could get another 2 kph out of your combine and 2% less moisture, I'm sure you can see why there might be a business argument for it if you aren't considering the "moral" side of politics & residues in the grain.
Are you all organic, have a vested interest in selling grain driers or just being contrary as usual?
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- S.E
Its sensationalist and so counter productive. I honestly wonder sometimes if people are either completely stupid or wether they think they are clever by stirring up a debate on something which doesnt directly effect them. Very short sighted.
glasshouse
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- lothians
Contrary as usual
But i hate to see roundup splashed everywhere unnecessarily
And the dead stubble that can lie like that all winter
glasshouse
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- lothians
So buy a bigger dryer
Which is more environmentally friendly , ? glypho or diesel , asking for Richi
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I’m surprised that you would sow anything with Lucerne as it isn’t really capable of competing with any other grasses. When you plant Lucerne, do you need to add the bacteria to get it going?not allowed as a pre harvest desiccant unless you have weeds, I gather… and not allowed within a year before ploughing (more relevant to myself).
they are not keen on glyphosate or ploughing here
oh, for about 3 years they have used the carrot rather than a stick and will pay us an amount (per farm
maybe you can advise…. I have a very well drained piece of ground which was supposed to be luzerne/cocksfoot, sown August 22. Was probably too late for the luzerne and it died through the winter leaving thinish pure cocksfoot, which isn’t much use to me (although at the mo it is outwintering cattle)
as I havnt drilled any cereal ground, and this is good dry ground and the grass is assisting, I intend to sow cereal late January. I have a Moore direct, I would love to have confidence in getting a good crop
I found that adding it with milk in a cement mixer got it to grow in both Autumn and Spring.
Cocksfoot is good except that animals don’t like the fact that the one way hairs on it that prevent them from spitting it out. In the 60’s it was thought to be as good as Ryegrass until that fact was realised.
With regards you plan for wheat using a Moore Unidrill, you would have more experience of it than most of us, so feel unable to advise. If the land is as light and free draining as you suggest, then give it a go. But it’ll need to be dry enough.
It’ll come down to gut feeling I suspect. The Moore is a Direct drill and they suggest that Direct drills should be used 2 weeks earlier in the Autumn, but 2 weeks later in the Spring. However that caught a lot of folks out here this last Spring. I’d suggest that if you think it will go, crack on with it.
Why , continue using round up that’s what Im going to do
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Its comments like this that make you look stupid. Im sure your'e a decent gut but your'e acing like a child. EVERONE knows it isnt 'splashed everywhere unnecessarily'.
The clean stubble helps the next crop win win
Got a 30ton last year
When it was less than £2/litre, it did get used at “insurance“ doses. The label dose for pre harvest desiccation was/is 1 litre of 360g/l for cereals. How many of you used a litre or was it at least 2 where weeds weren’t an issue?
glasshouse
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- lothians
I see it everywhere
It became almost compulsory about 20 yr ago.
Repeated low doses is what breeds resistance, its basic biology
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- S.E
Is the way you phrase it. You are looking to sensationalise it. The EU have studied it extensively and decided it doesn't pose a threat so not really sure what your problem is...probably a lack of attention
glasshouse
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- lothians
So why has eu banned pre harvest use to speed combining?
If ur not happy using it dont and let the rest of us make r own decision