Protest cancelled due to lack of interest

[farmerm]

Mostly agree but you swallowed the media line it’s about red diesel . It’s not

The media line is the message received by the public… if other reasons are failing to get through the protesters are not making their case clear enough.

 

[JP1]

The media line is the message received by the public… if other reasons are failing to get through the protesters are not making their case clear enough.

Half agree

 

[Two Tone]

There isn’t world shortages of food. There is distribution problems. The USA especially complicit in deliberate over production to keep markets down.
Also we have just come off the back of a run of very profitable years in the arable sector because of Covid and Ukraine so I don’t think he knows what he’s on about.

That’s an interesting opinion on what is of course @Panicnow ’s opinion.
We don’t know what research he has taken into the subject, though one assumes he would have some knowledge of what he is talking about.

Nonetheless, would you not be in some agreement with his final two paragraphs?


What needs to be remembered is that we are all entitled to own opinions.
What we are not entitled to is our own facts!

Unfortunately we neither know how factual or not his, yours or anybody else’s including my own opinions, are.

My opinion based on farm accounts is that Covid had some, but not that great an effect on farm profits.
The Ukraine situation certainly had a major effect on the ‘22-‘23 accounts due to high grain sale prices, on top of good yields.
Completely reversed by the Russian/ Ukraine situation causing agricultural input hyper inflation for the ‘23-‘24 year.
Further compounded by less than satisfactory yields.

 

[farmerm]

It’s a far point…. https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...D6vsT_ed3R9JSvwn5vUctJlw-huZkO86wI8zbHUDm&s=1

 

[JP1]

India protests now too

 

[Bairdy]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Who is going to plant barley for that?

The farmer who has a mixed enterprise and can feed it to his stock which are a cracking trade.

 

[mixedfmr]

This is on the Olly thread,
The NFU and OTHERS dont want us to protest so as not to upset the PUBLIC and keep them on our side
Taken from one day in the Yorkshire Post last week, I ii say no more.

 

[ajd132]

This is on the Olly thread,
The NFU and OTHERS dont want us to protest so as not to upset the PUBLIC and keep them on our side
Taken from one day in the Yorkshire Post last week, I ii say no more.

probably a farmer who still thinks its 1970 and wants his sub for owning land back!

 

[Two Tone]

probably a farmer who still thinks its 1970 and wants his sub for owning land back!

No such thing existed then!

 

[ajd132]

No such thing existed then!

that's true! sub for over production and burning hedges?!

 

[Two Tone]

that's true! sub for over production and burning hedges?!

Certainly, restitution payments for grain, beef, milk and putting them into intervention stores if the open market price in the EEC wasn’t high enough, encouraged a massive boom in farming production. A hell of a lot of hedges were grubbed out to and new drainage systems put in, despite the fact that the drainage grant scheme had ended.

But this was more in the 80’s than the 70’s.
We never knew we had it so good!

 

[mixedfmr]

probably a farmer who still thinks its 1970 and wants his sub for owning land ba

Or probably my neighbours, owned and tenants, no TG and dont (no good round hre) direct drill, whos SFPs gone and see Scotland giving their farmers 70% as direct payment

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Certainly, restitution payments for grain, beef, milk and putting them into intervention stores if the open market price in the EEC wasn’t high enough, encouraged a massive boom in farming production. A hell of a lot of hedges were grubbed out to and new drainage systems put in, despite the fact that the drainage grant scheme had ended.

But this was more in the 80’s than the 70’s.
We never knew we had it so good!

It was a distorted market funded by the taxpayer (like now).

Consumers are going to have to learn to pay a sensible margin over the cost of production.

 

[farmerm]

It was a distorted market funded by the taxpayer (like now).

Consumers are going to have to learn to pay a sensible margin over the cost of production.

If UK arable farmers ceased growing any cereals at all, it would make still make feck all difference to the margin consumers pay.

 

[mixedfmr]

It was a distorted market funded by the taxpayer (like now).

Consumers are going to have to learn to pay a sensible margin over the cost of production.

Question is how ?
Or how many of us survive to see it,?

 

[DeeGee]

As long as governments can import cheap food, then they will.

No British political party will ever encourage more expensive home grown food just as long as the public can pay less for imported goods.

The only time UK agriculture will be valued and encouraged is when, for whatever future circumstance will one day inevitably occur: the country is facing a serious shortage of food.

How quickly are forgotten those words of Winston Churchill during the dark years of WW2; when the country faced the real prospect of being starved into defeat by Nazi U Boats: “We must never, ever, allow ourselves to be put in this position again!”

 

[Grass And Grain]

probably a farmer who still thinks its 1970 and wants his sub for owning land back!

I'm not sure the sub was just for owning land (although obviously it was land based).

It could have been to maintain food security, or to help ensure farming existed in the EU when it could have been undercut by imports from South America. Or to help support an agricultural industry who have EU restrictions on pesticide use or GM technology (compared to competitor countries).

EU has import tariffs and quotas, so even what could look like unsubsidised food without BPS equivalent.... actually has price support. And it's the consumer who picks up the tab.

And now we've got SFI, which will likely cause rent increase for tenants, and so likely mean a chunk of the subsidy ending up with the landowner.

Just sayin.