Question for Danish / Swedish TFF members

[Pilatus]

The wealthy Swedish,Persson family and the Danish, Povlsen family have both bought many 1000’s of ha’s of land in England and Scotland( and are still doing so).
Do they own a lot of land in their countries of origin and where they live most of the time?
If not why not,and why do they buy so much land in the UK??

 

[renewablejohn]

The wealthy Swedish,Persson family and the Danish, Povlsen family have both bought many 1000’s of ha’s of land in England and Scotland( and are still doing so).
Do they own a lot of land in their countries of origin and where they live most of the time?
If not why not,and why do they buy so much land in the UK??

Would you like to farm livestock in countries where wolves, bears and lynx roam freely.

 

[Pilatus]

Would you like to farm livestock in countries where wolves, bears and lynx roam freely.

The Danish owner wants to rewild his estates , so YES!!!

 

[Niax]

The wealthy Swedish,Persson family and the Danish, Povlsen family have both bought many 1000’s of ha’s of land in England and Scotland( and are still doing so).
Do they own a lot of land in their countries of origin and where they live most of the time?
If not why not,and why do they buy so much land in the UK??

The Persson family own a lot of forest in Sweden. I think Stefan Persson is the one that bought land in Uk. In Sweden it is his sister that own a lot.

 

[delilah]

Nothing new; where's Uhtred when you need him ?

 

[davieh3350]

Would you like to farm livestock in countries where wolves, bears and lynx roam freely.

Compare that to having your sheep (a cow too) worried by dogs, sheep being slaughtered in fields by gangs of most likely Easter Europeans and having your property raided by scum, then I think going somewhere where there's only bears, lynx and wolves would be bliss!

 

[Scribus]

Would you like to farm livestock in countries where wolves, bears and lynx roam freely.

There are only around 1,500 lynx, 3,000 brown bears and a mere 500 wolves in Sweden. All are predators of reindeer of which there are around 2 million. They also live to the north of Sweden's main agricultural region which is in the lower third of the country. Poultry is by far the worst affected by wild predators in the south.

You really need to do some homework before making such nonsensical claims.

 

[Scribus]

Compare that to having your sheep (a cow too) worried by dogs, sheep being slaughtered in fields by gangs of most likely Easter Europeans and having your property raided by scum, then I think going somewhere where there's only bears, lynx and wolves would be bliss!

You forget the wolverine, a sort of badger-cum-weasel type creature of which there are around 700 individuals holding the country's 10m human population in a state of constant terror.

 

[Dry Rot]

There are only around 1,500 lynx, 3,000 brown bears and a mere 500 wolves in Sweden. All are predators of reindeer of which there are around 2 million. They also live to the north of Sweden's main agricultural region which is in the lower third of the country. Poultry is by far the worst affected by wild predators in the south.

You really need to do some homework before making such nonsensical claims.

...and the Swedes can hunt badgers.

 

[renewablejohn]

There are only around 1,500 lynx, 3,000 brown bears and a mere 500 wolves in Sweden. All are predators of reindeer of which there are around 2 million. They also live to the north of Sweden's main agricultural region which is in the lower third of the country. Poultry is by far the worst affected by wild predators in the south.

You really need to do some homework before making such nonsensical claims.

Fortunately my wife is part Swedish with farming relatives still there so yet again I know for a fact your talking garbage.

 

[Scribus]

Fortunately my wife is part Swedish with farming relatives still there so yet again I know for a fact your talking garbage.

So which part is garbage and why?

 

[Bald Rick]

Pirelli family are buying land in Shropshire & Cheshire apparently.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Pirelli family are buying land in Shropshire & Cheshire apparently.

Under the Yareal name I think it is, they have a 800 cow jersey herd near here, with another under construction close by, with another just outside Shrewsbury and another in the market Drayton area, I’ve heard there are others but I don’t know for sure.

 

[steveR]

Pirelli family are buying land in Shropshire & Cheshire apparently.

I wonder if they want a bit of prime land near Wellington?

 

[Gong Farmer]

I look forward to the calendar.

 

[renewablejohn]

So which part is garbage and why?

They only live in the north and eat reindeer. Total garbage, Just look at the farmers livestock compensation scheme it pays out throughout the whole of Sweden. Fortunately there is a lot of islands so once the predators are removed off an island you stand a chance with livestock but on the mainland it is a real problem.

 

[renewablejohn]

There are only around 1,500 lynx, 3,000 brown bears and a mere 500 wolves in Sweden. All are predators of reindeer of which there are around 2 million. They also live to the north of Sweden's main agricultural region which is in the lower third of the country. Poultry is by far the worst affected by wild predators in the south.

You really need to do some homework before making such nonsensical claims.

Maybe you need to look at Appendix A then decide who needs to do there homework and its certainly not me.

Costs of Livestock Depredation by Large Carnivores in Sweden 2001 to 2013

Livestock depredation by large carnivores entails economic damage to farmers in many parts of the world. The aim of this paper is to analyse and compa…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[7610 super q]

Cos the UK is going places after Brexit...

 

[Scribus]

They only live in the north and eat reindeer. Total garbage, Just look at the farmers livestock compensation scheme it pays out throughout the whole of Sweden. Fortunately there is a lot of islands so once the predators are removed off an island you stand a chance with livestock but on the mainland it is a real problem.

Y'know, I do wonder about you and your comprehension of English at times. I used the word 'only' to indicate that the numbers of each species are rather small. Taking the wolf for instance, the highest estimate is around 600 individuals in 2015, although in 2011 the same site (an anti wolf activist site as far as I can make out) spoke of 470 to 500 animals. If we take the figure as being 500 then that works out as one wolf per 82,000 hectares (I've taken out the 9% of Sweden that is lakes). Mmmm... just how big a threat is that?

Hur många vargar finns i Sverige? - Vargfakta

Antalet vargar i Sverige är som lägst 351 och som högst 398, beräknat efter modellen Viltskadecenter själv använder. Det är 89% fler än riksdagsbeslutet.

www.vargfakta.se

However, the populations of wolves, bears and lynx do tend to be north of the main agricultural areas as I suggested in my post. Just because the predator compensation scheme applies nationwide does not mean that it pays out equally throughout the country. As far as I can make out it mainly goes to the north for reindeer losses. Have you any exact figures?

 

[Scribus]

From the paper -

The kill rate can be a function of prey and, sometimes, predator numbers. There are relatively few sheep in Sweden, and wild prey is abundant (Sand et al., 2014), implying that sheep are only an occasional prey for the studied carnivores.



As for the map that simply illustrates what I am saying, the main agricultural area is in the south so that is where the attacks will occur and as far as I can tell it's the amount of compensation rather than the predator population that is being shown. The paper also notes that around 500 sheep are lost annually, hardly the most terrible of threats.