Radio 4 - The Cows Are Mad

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Anyone been listening?

The Cows Are Mad - Introducing The Cows Are Mad - BBC Sounds

Lucy Proctor investigates the strange tale of the 1990s BSE epidemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Spuddler]

Yes, some of it.
Interesting the scientist finding New Guinea cannibals getting similar symptoms. from a disease they call Kuru and relating it to BSE

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

I’ve been listening to it on BBC sounds , only one criticism of it that it accused farmers of feeding meat & bone meal whereas it was in the concentrate mixed with other ingredients , otherwise a good informative listen .

 

[DaveGrohl]

I’ve been listening to it on BBC sounds , only one criticism of it that it accused farmers of feeding meat & bone meal whereas it was in the concentrate mixed with other ingredients , otherwise a good informative listen .

Did they mention the change in the rendering temperatures?

 

[matthew]

Did they mention the change in the rendering temperatures?

Or the fact that Prosper de Mulder operated across the EU. The Dutch based company ‘added value to abattoir by products ‘.

Mr Prosper De Mulder. 1917 - 2012 | Saria

SARIA's operations in the UK are active in a wide range of sectors associated with the food chain. The Group’s companies manufacture quality products for use in human and animal foodstuffs, agriculture, aquaculture, and industrial applications; the company also produces bio-fuels and renewable...

www.saria.co.uk

Or the fact that the only thing unique to GB about this car crash, was the reporting.

EU documents at the time decided that there wasn’t enough cash for a Community wide compensation scheme, so the cases in GB would lead research and member states would follow.

Thus the reporting was geared to that. One case, one cow, full comp. Very different in the .EU. I won’t go into all the details, but I have all the documentation. Including our submission to the Enquiry.

Tough times.

 

[Pateleygrower]

There is a good Private Eye piece on this. Worth looking home.

 

[Daddy Pig]

The bit about human bones imported from India, then ground up and fed to cows shocked me.

 

[ollie989898]

The bit about human bones imported from India, then ground up and fed to cows shocked me.

I can't believe that is true. Did they explain the process that allowed that to happen?

 

[ollie989898]

Yes, some of it.
Interesting the scientist finding New Guinea cannibals getting similar symptoms. from a disease they call Kuru and relating it to BSE

Even young people suffered from Kuru- in the affected groups at any rate. I've seen some quite sad footage of them. People of all ages suffering with it.

 

[David.]

Disappointed that they kept referring to "cannibal cows" with reference to MBM.
Thought the Mark Purdy bit was interesting, with the implication that Special Branch were all over him.
Tiguvon treatment for warbles, and OP dips on sheep were compulsory as I recall?
Wonder why the Government would want to silence detractors?
Bit like that utter b@stard Soames standing in Parliament denying the existence of Gulf War Syndrome, when ex servicemen were ill and dying from it.

 

[ollie989898]

Disappointed that they kept referring to cannibal cows with reference to MBM.
Thought the Mark Purdy bit was interesting, with the implication that Special Branch were all over him.

Mark Purdy had some alternative theories on the disease and why it occurred.

Why would special branch have been on to him?

 

[Daddy Pig]

I can't believe that is true. Did they explain the process that allowed that to happen?

Yes, basically bovine bones imported from India, many of them scavanged from the river ganges, however quite a few dead humans end up in there too and all the bones got chucked in together.

 

[ollie989898]

Yes, basically bovine bones imported from India, many of them scavanged from the river ganges, however quite a few dead humans end up in there too and all the bones got chucked in together.

Someone imported bones from India? I find this hard to comprehend. Are they even worth importing? Was there a shortage of them in the UK or Europe or something?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Mark Purdy had some alternative theories on the disease and why it occurred.

Why would special branch have been on to him?

the same 'why' as why they were 'interested ' in @matthew at one time, rocking a boat that wasn't wanted to be rocked ?

Mark was an interesting chap ,loved his Cows.

 

[David.]

Mark Purdy had some alternative theories on the disease and why it occurred.

Why would special branch have been on to him?

Because he was getting into Government liability territory.

 

[glasshouse]

Or the fact that Prosper de Mulder operated across the EU. The Dutch based company ‘added value to abattoir by products ‘.

Mr Prosper De Mulder. 1917 - 2012 | Saria

SARIA's operations in the UK are active in a wide range of sectors associated with the food chain. The Group’s companies manufacture quality products for use in human and animal foodstuffs, agriculture, aquaculture, and industrial applications; the company also produces bio-fuels and renewable...

www.saria.co.uk

Or the fact that the only thing unique to GB about this car crash, was the reporting.

EU documents at the time decided that there wasn’t enough cash for a Community wide compensation scheme, so the cases in GB would lead research and member states would follow.

Thus the reporting was geared to that. One case, one cow, full comp. Very different in the .EU. I won’t go into all the details, but I have all the documentation. Including our submission to the Enquiry.

Tough times.

There should have been furlough, bounce back loans, and compensation.
Same with foot and mouth.
I never really recovered from that shitshow

 

[glasshouse]

Disappointed that they kept referring to "cannibal cows" with reference to MBM.
Thought the Mark Purdy bit was interesting, with the implication that Special Branch were all over him.
Tiguvon treatment for warbles, and OP dips on sheep were compulsory as I recall?
Wonder why the Government would want to silence detractors?
Bit like that utter b@stard Soames standing in Parliament denying the existence of Gulf War Syndrome, when ex servicemen were ill and dying from it.

Was that from OP spraying bugs?

 

[matthew]

Someone imported bones from India? I find this hard to comprehend. Are they even worth importing? Was there a shortage of them in the UK or Europe or something?

International trade.
When we were banned from using MBM, we exported it. Some of it after a worldwide wide cruise, arrived back in the UK, mixed in imported fish meal.

 

[anzani]

Was that from OP spraying bugs?

See:
www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(99)00933-2.pdf
Full article is paywalled but note the references at the end of this article for further details

 

[matthew]

Even young people suffered from Kuru- in the affected groups at any rate. I've seen some quite sad footage of them. People of all ages suffering with it.

If you noticed, the n of nVCJD was quietly dropped when it was revealed that a very young person’s brain, from several decades ago and held in the Corsellis collection in the UK had the same lesions. It was neither ‘new’ nor ‘novel’.

I sent Mark P a bottle of Tiguvon we had left over. No idea what he did with it. But as MAFF at the time said it was harmless, it went Royal Mail.

I also argued with Mark as to the effect of either MBM ingestion, or OP application did not affect the adult animal, but in our cases, it did affect the calf she was carrying. Particularly OP application.