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[Crex]

Take shell sand in from the Uists? Plenty of artics going out empty? Not so many bulkers right enough. Sand NV typically 35-40%.

 

[Macsky]

Is that realistically possible? SNH et al not have a fit?

 

[Crex]

There are licensed sand pits, should be fine. Don't know how costs would stack up.

 

[ollie989898]

It's lime. Whatever is affordable is the right product. Forget the rest.

 

[Macsky]

Mag lime out of torrin is affordable, but the fields are sky high in mag and it’s rougher than pebble dash, so I’m not sure I agree.

 

[ollie989898]

Mag lime out of torrin is affordable, but the fields are sky high in mag and it’s rougher than pebble dash, so I’m not sure I agree.

Ah now that is the decider. Mag lime on land full of mag already is the wrong product.

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How in the heck is it rough and stony? It's not the sort of thing you can get 'wrong' surely?

 

[dyfxt110]

They are registered as producers on the lime association website

They are registered as producers on the lime association website.

http://www.aglime.org.uk/suppliers/wales.php

needs updating, Graig and aberduna been shut for years

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Ah now that is the decider. Mag lime on land full of mag already is the wrong product.

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How in the heck is it rough and stony? It's not the sort of thing you can get 'wrong' surely?

This is the sort of thinking that drives me mad. A potential customer may say another supplier is 50p a tonne less money than me. I ask what product the other firm are quoting for, they say lime - it's all the same isn't it?

No, it's not. There are huge variations in samples from different quarries and the OP is, quite rightly, considering options very carefully. Many samples are superb and a lot of money has been spent at the works to get it right, but some quarries just use the lime heap as a way of getting rid of the dusty rubbish that spoils their big selling products.

@Macsky maybe try different things? Bit of lime, bit of shell sand, bit of prilled lime and see what works best. The bulk products, assuming they are at least reasonable quality will always be best simply for the fact they will have some long lasting impact on your soils.

Just remembered, the last results you posted showed no NV. (Neutralising Value). That figure, along with the fineness, is essential to know you are buying a good product.

 

[hendrebc]

going to cost you £ 10000 plus just for the lime , pelleted cost about £1000 a year and spread it your self , try some if it works it works ,friend yous it next to village where normal lime spreading would cause a issue with dust and neighbours , noticed a vast improvement in his grass land .

This interests.me a lot. I have 300 acres all needs liming but no way could i afford to do it all in one go or probably even done fast enough to have done the whole farm by the time the first part needs doing again in rotation. If i put prilled lime on every year would the land eventually have the pH lifted in the same way as using proper lime would? How long would this take tonsay raise from 5.5 to a 6? Ive always thought of prilled lime as a quick fix for growing a crop but wouldnt last very long. Assuming it would need to be done every year or take a backwards step with pH again.

 

[Macsky]

Just remembered, the last results you posted showed no NV. (Neutralising Value). That figure, along with the fineness, is essential to know you are buying a good product.

It’s the same lime from the same quarry, but milled finer, will the NV be the same?

 

[GTB]

This interests.me a lot. I have 300 acres all needs liming but no way could i afford to do it all in one go or probably even done fast enough to have done the whole farm by the time the first part needs doing again in rotation. If i put prilled lime on every year would the land eventually have the pH lifted in the same way as using proper lime would? How long would this take tonsay raise from 5.5 to a 6? Ive always thought of prilled lime as a quick fix for growing a crop but wouldnt last very long. Assuming it would need to be done every year or take a backwards step with pH again.

Similar situation here. I'm wondering if putting a ton of lime per acre on 300 acres for say two/three years is better than putting three ton per acre on 100 acres in rotation?

 

[Cab-over Pete]

It’s the same lime from the same quarry, but milled finer, will the NV be the same?

Sorry, ought to have realised that!! It should be fine then. Always buy ground lime rather than screened.

 

[Macsky]

Worth the £15/t premium?

 

[Cab-over Pete]

This interests.me a lot. I have 300 acres all needs liming but no way could i afford to do it all in one go or probably even done fast enough to have done the whole farm by the time the first part needs doing again in rotation. If i put prilled lime on every year would the land eventually have the pH lifted in the same way as using proper lime would? How long would this take tonsay raise from 5.5 to a 6? Ive always thought of prilled lime as a quick fix for growing a crop but wouldnt last very long. Assuming it would need to be done every year or take a backwards step with pH again.

That’s entirely dependent on the costs of the products. Both will work but at what cost?

Forget the notion that the prilled lime will work better or faster though. That is total nonsense dreamed up by salesmen. The prills won’t work any better than the ground lime because they CANNOT work any better. It’s exactly the same stuff.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Similar situation here. I'm wondering if putting a ton of lime per acre on 300 acres for say two/three years is better than putting three ton per acre on 100 acres in rotation?

Don’t put 3t/ac on unless the whole lot is absolutely desperate for lime. Put 2.5t/acre on half this year, the worst areas. Spread the rest next year. Then retest the first areas you treated and see what’s what.

 

[Yale]

needs updating, Graig and aberduna been shut for years

Yes,I noticed Graig on there as we are quite close to it,mothballed at the moment.

Think there’s quite good lime/quarry dust coming out of Bredens in Denbigh at the moment.

 

[Yale]

This interests.me a lot. I have 300 acres all needs liming but no way could i afford to do it all in one go or probably even done fast enough to have done the whole farm by the time the first part needs doing again in rotation. If i put prilled lime on every year would the land eventually have the pH lifted in the same way as using proper lime would? How long would this take tonsay raise from 5.5 to a 6? Ive always thought of prilled lime as a quick fix for growing a crop but wouldnt last very long. Assuming it would need to be done every year or take a backwards step with pH again.

If you need to lime for this season get it on when the weather picks up next as it takes time to neutralise the acidity in the soil.

With higher rainfalls in the spring it will help the process.

I’ve been waiting for a spell to spread some since last July but it’s been either too wet,too windy or the ground not fit to travel..

Looks like there may be a better spell of weather end of the month so will have to pull my finger out then.

 

[Jim75]

Local job for you @Zebbedee

 

[dyfxt110]

Yes,I noticed Graig on there as we are quite close to it,mothballed at the moment.

Think there’s quite good lime/quarry dust coming out of Bredens in Denbigh at the moment.

I didn’t fancy the denbigh stuff last year, hopefully it will be better this season

 

[Yale]

I didn’t fancy the denbigh stuff last year, hopefully it will be better this season

Is either the Denbigh or Hendre one for us.

Hendre is quite a hard stone,I believe Denbigh has traditionally been a bit softer.