Real Wealth Ranching/Total Grazing

[unlacedgecko]

Anyone done the above course? Or worked with Jamie Elizondo as a consulting client?

 

[CopperBeech]

I had a look but was struggling to understand the difference between what he’s pushing and existing regen / holistic management stuff that’s profit focused ? Looked interesting but wasn’t sure if I was missing something ?

 

[Woolless]

For what it's worth, having read and you tubed a fair bit on regenerative grazing, I think his approach, along with Johan Zietsman and Graeme Hand, are the way to go if you're heading that direction.

 

[CopperBeech]

Can you give us a brief over view ?

 

[Woolless]

I haven't done the course but I've seen quite a bit of his stuff. Basically his idea is that you graze down very tight, none of this graze third, trample third, leave a third. This gives maximum harvest efficiency of the grass and the longer recovery period grows roots and humus. He simply shuts off excess grass late spring and feeds it back in the winter, protein supplementation if required. More a system for cattle than sheep, although they can be integrated by grazing the regrowth after about a month.

 

[Estate fencing.]

I haven't done the course but I've seen quite a bit of his stuff. Basically his idea is that you graze down very tight, none of this graze third, trample third, leave a third. This gives maximum harvest efficiency of the grass and the longer recovery period grows roots and humus. He simply shuts off excess grass late spring and feeds it back in the winter, protein supplementation if required. More a system for cattle than sheep, although they can be integrated by grazing the regrowth after about a month.

Is that not what people have been doing for ever?

 

[Woolless]

Is that not what people have been doing for ever?

Not at the stock density he advocates, no. He has his own cattle shut up very tight and moves them four times a day.

 

[S J H]

Not at the stock density he advocates, no. He has his own cattle shut up very tight and moves them four times a day.

Has he not got a lot on?

 

[Woolless]

Has he not got a lot on?

Doesn't need to make silage, cattle are very healthy apparently. Very low-cost system. Basically, moving the cattle IS the work.

 

[CopperBeech]

Seems to be a lot of folk making money teaching courses. Not quite sure what you need to know outside of what you just said ?

 

[CopperBeech]

Doesn't need to make silage, cattle are very healthy apparently. Very low-cost system. Basically, moving the cattle IS the work.

Sounds like a variation on the (very) oft repeated mantra I think we probably know about now!

 

[Woolless]

Seems to be a lot of folk making money teaching courses. Not quite sure what you need to know outside of what you just said ?

That's kind of what I think too. He does give Q+A sessions and suchlike included. I think the thing to do would be to keep the principles in mind and see how you get on.

Johan Zietsman's book 'Man, cattle and Veld' is excellent, particularly on cattle breeding for this type of system.

 

[CopperBeech]

That's kind of what I think too. He does give Q+A sessions and suchlike included. I think the thing to do would be to keep the principles in mind and see how you get on.

Johan Zietsman's book 'Man, cattle and Veld' is excellent, particularly on cattle breeding for this type of system.

Makes me often wonder if their system is so profitable .......

 

[Woolless]

Makes me often wonder if their system is so profitable .......

In a way, I don't see how it can fail to be as inputs are so limited. I have some limited experience of keeping cattle in sort of this fashion and they need very little. Cutting down winter feed costs is the real key though and the bloody sheep soon graze that

 

[S J H]

Doesn't need to make silage, cattle are very healthy apparently. Very low-cost system. Basically, moving the cattle IS the work.

Sounds like a hell of a tie, might as well be milking.

 

[Jaffa Cakes]

In a way, I don't see how it can fail to be as inputs are so limited. I have some limited experience of keeping cattle in sort of this fashion and they need very little. Cutting down winter feed costs is the real key though and the bloody sheep soon graze that

Wonder how it works somewhere wet where most folk have cattle in 6-7 months of winter

 

[Northern territory]

Wonder how it works somewhere wet where most folk have cattle in 6-7 months of winter

That is my thoughts, on our low lying clay water table can be very high in winter. On the right ground probably works

 

[Tim W]

I'm running a similar course --it's cheaper and probably more fun
''Moving an electric fence''
It's a 3 day course (starts Friday evening) ---mostly pub based
It's free but there is an admin fee which is exactly the price of a pint

 

[unlacedgecko]

Sounds like a hell of a tie, might as well be milking.

Timer wire lifters mean see the stock once per day. Takes about an hour to set up a day's paddocks, apparently.

 

[Northern territory]

Biggest thing I would need to do is water infrastructure. Electric fencing is the same as folding sheep pretty much. I think it is more suited to cattle though.