Recycling - to land

[Luke Cropwalker]

The OP on this thread was asking for lagoons to store waste without payment to the receiving farmer. Obviously the waste disposal industry need to dispose of waste in winter when there are limited options of spreading to land, more stringent NVZ rules must have contributed to this. I believe in the above scenario a farm with lagoon capacity is in a very strong position to charge for receiving waste, after all without the waste the farm will continue but without a lagoon the waste disposal company will have to pay to dispose of the waste. If anyone has any idea of the cost of waste disposal it would be very interesting.
The company the OP represented planned to inject the waste to grassland and claimed a benefit from this operation as a subsoiling operation, any farmer will know this is not necessarily the case. It might have been the case that the waste would have been better utilised being spread on arable land.
There is a definite place for waste spreading to farm land, however the agricultural industry is missing a trick by not charging, and even in some circumstances paying for waste products. Obviously there are many regulatory hurdles to jump through such as EA deployments and even planning issues when dealing with waste products but these are not insurmountable.

 

[The Son]

I have not had experience of this on my own land, but did rent some land to grow maize on that had been injected with waste by a company over the winter. I was given an analysis and application rate so we could work out what had gone on, and top up as necessary.
The field was a mess once they had finished, there had obviously been at least one burst pipe, and the operators did not walk anywhere if the ruts were anything to go by.
As the crop started to grow you could easily see that it was not one consistent product that was applied, but lots of different products with different nutrient levels, the crop looked a mess, with different strips across the field.

 

[courtfarm]

Hi, total newbie on here, and it looks a good forum , with plenty of diverse topics. This thread has been brought to my attention, by a company we have here spreading food waste on our land. I have no idea where all the negativity comes from, as from my experience, the results we've achieves are fantastic. Fair enough, during growth stages, you may just about to tell where different products have been applied, but come harvest the obvious yield gain is fairly outstanding.we've had grass (for silage) maize, and wheat spread on or before. The grass is the thickest crop I've ever mowed, our maize was up 2 ton over untreated land, and wheat, well I don't really know if it achieved much, was up a bit, but not enough to tell whether it was just down to it being a better growing year.
anyone is welcome to view what they've done here, I think you'll be pleased ty surprised.

Thanks, Henry

 

[RobFZS]

This is some sort of joke right? how many more random people are going to join up, just to sing praises for someones castoff's

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Hi @courtfarm and welcome to the forum!. If you are accepting waste products into a lagoon on your farm over winter then you should really be charging the supplying company to use the lagoon. A figure of around £10/T has been suggested, around £200 for every 8 wheel lorry and £300 for an arctic.

You may well be getting a fertiliser benefit from the waste product but as I am sure you have experienced it is not without pitfalls and remember the waste disposal company needs you more than you need them.

 

[courtfarm]

@Luke Cropwalker I've been through everything in fine detail, I am more than happy with what I'm getting. Plus I also know what the recycling company is getting paid /load. If you think for 1 minute they can pay £10/ton to tip an artic in my lagoon, you live in cloud cuckoo land. how much do you think they get / load. We're all in business to make money, but greed is not something that suits me. Last year I saved on average £117/ha on fertiliser, that alone is a good enough payment for me.

 

[B&B Pig Man]

@Luke Cropwalker I've been through everything in fine detail, I am more than happy with what I'm getting. Plus I also know what the recycling company is getting paid /load. If you think for 1 minute they can pay £10/ton to tip an artic in my lagoon, you live in cloud cuckoo land. how much do you think they get / load. We're all in business to make money, but greed is not something that suits me. Last year I saved on average £117/ha on fertiliser, that alone is a good enough payment for me.

Could you give the available nutrients breakdown in the product you receive please?
Would be interested to find out.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

If you are happy @courtfarm then that is great. I would not be accepting anything onto farm without receiving payment, perhaps your supplying company should be renegotiating with the people they receive the waste from, gate fees to farm do happen. I would be interested to know where you got the £117/ha figure from. Did you work it out yourself or were you supplied it by the recycling company? if you have, genuinely received a waste product onto your 'farm' then you must have an analysis, in the interests of the debate it would be really useful to see such an analysis.

 

[Steevo]

I would hazard a guess the recycling company are getting £10-20/t or so. Am I far out @courtfarm? How many years have you been receiving it for? Do they spread it on grass with you?

 

[The Son]

I have just spoke to a friend that is have some injected on some stubble, he was getting no payment,but they had promised to return in the spring and subsoil the fields before planting. He also told me that the company had had to apply for a licence to spread the waste on his fields, not sure if it was EA or DEFRA.

 

[Steevo]

I have just spoke to a friend that is have some injected on some stubble, he was getting no payment,but they had promised to return in the spring and subsoil the fields before planting. He also told me that the company had had to apply for a licence to spread the waste on his fields, not sure if it was EA or DEFRA.

Would you trust a company to correctly subsoil a field for you? I certainly wouldn't expect it to do any good....depth is the important factor and a guy spreading waste for a living wouldn't have that knowledge. Instead of making it better they could end up making it worse - imagine that! If they paid for a contractor to do it I might be slightly more trusting.

 

[Robbie morgan]

If you are happy @courtfarm then that is great. I would not be accepting anything onto farm without receiving payment, perhaps your supplying company should be renegotiating with the people they receive the waste from, gate fees to farm do happen. I would be interested to know where you got the £117/ha figure from. Did you work it out yourself or were you supplied it by the recycling company? if you have, genuinely received a waste product onto your 'farm' then you must have an analysis, in the interests of the debate it would be really useful to see such an analysis.

Just wondering @Luke Cropwalker you told me your not a agronomist that's fine so you keep asking for the anilitical reports so you can sort out for us the fertiliser and financial benefit of the wastes/products that people are talking about so what

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Just wondering @Luke Cropwalker you told me your not a agronomist that's fine so you keep asking for the anilitical reports so you can sort out for us the fertiliser and financial benefit of the wastes/products that people are talking about so what

Is there a point to this post?

 

[adam1971]

Would you trust a company to correctly subsoil a field for you? I certainly wouldn't expect it to do any good....depth is the important factor and a guy spreading waste for a living wouldn't have that knowledge. Instead of making it better they could end up making it worse - imagine that! If they paid for a contractor to do it I might be slightly more trusting.

How do you know that a guy spreading waste would not have that knowledge???

Do you not think people may have been involved in large scale arable and contracting business's before they did this job???

 

[Robbie morgan]

Is there a point to this post?

There is a point must apologise I pad playing up,right my point 1 you get the report,what qualifications have you got to interpret the lab reports have you got facts or equivalent qualifications or is it a uneducated guess to what the report says because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and as you are so enthusiastic about these type of products I doubt your interpretation will be a good one!! As for the waste side of things going on about the waste contractors and gate fees and the comments that you have made shows you have little understanding of the subject,being passionate about a subject if fine if you educate yourself before you try to educate the rest of us,and yes I have taken on board your previous comments and I'm sure there is some bending of rules and I'm not condoning this

 

[Rob Holmes]

Am i missing something here, but if your subsoiling this 'sludge' in then surely your putting it closer to the land drains?

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

There is a point must apologise I pad playing up,right my point 1 you get the report,what qualifications have you got to interpret the lab reports have you got facts or equivalent qualifications or is it a uneducated guess to what the report says because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and as you are so enthusiastic about these type of products I doubt your interpretation will be a good one!! As for the waste side of things going on about the waste contractors and gate fees and the comments that you have made shows you have little understanding of the subject,being passionate about a subject if fine if you educate yourself before you try to educate the rest of us,and yes I have taken on board your previous comments and I'm sure there is some bending of rules and I'm not condoning this

Qualifications? how about BASIS, FACTS, NMP, BASIS Diploma in Agronomy, I trust that will satisfy that I am not going to make an 'uneducated guess'. If you would like to post an analysis (I am not the only person who has asked) then we can all see the agricultural benefit of the waste. If the EA are giving deployments for it then it must have an agricultural benefit, the more you refuse to put up an analysis the more suspicious the forum members become. I would like to clarify I initially suggested that gate fees would be appropriate if a farmer was receiving waste products into a lagoon in winter, not necessarily if spread straight to land.

 

[Robbie morgan]

Hh

Qualifications? how about BASIS, FACTS, NMP, BASIS Diploma in Agronomy, I trust that will satisfy that I am not going to make an 'uneducated guess'. If you would like to post an analysis (I am not the only person who has asked) then we can all see the agricultural benefit of the waste. If the EA are giving deployments for it then it must have an agricultural benefit, the more you refuse to put up an analysis the more suspicious the forum members become. I would like to clarify I initially suggested that gate fees would be appropriate if a farmer was receiving waste products into a lagoon in winter, not necessarily if spread straight to land.

here's a chance by the looks of it to put all those qualifications to use @Luke Cropwalker ,would be nice to see what you make of it. Will what to see you results and your professional opion

 

[Hampton]

That's of

Hh

here's a chance by the looks of it to put all those qualifications to use @Luke Cropwalker ,would be nice to see what you make of it. Will what to see you results and your professional opion

no use at all unless we know what forms the nutrients are in!
P2O5? K2O? Etc

 

[Steevo]

How do you know that a guy spreading waste would not have that knowledge???

Do you not think people may have been involved in large scale arable and contracting business's before they did this job???

Just because someone can drive a tractor, it doesn't mean they can operate the machine on the back properly. Large scale is irrelevant - the best operators I know don't come from big outfits - they come from anywhere. Attention to detail is key.

I'd trust a good sprayer operator, or such like to do a better job of muckspreading than a guy who's spent his whole life doing it. It's all about being skillful and using those skills correctly.