Recycling - to land

[Luke Cropwalker]

Thank you @Robbie morgan what would the method of application be, to what crop, at which time of year and how much would be applied?

 

[adam1971]

@Luke Cropwalker generally deep leg injected on stubble pre drilling, grassland subsoiler on grazing land (with a 21 day grazing interval), or shallow disc injected on silage ground. So what is your proffesional opinion, that analysis is for a mix of 5 products.

 

[Robbie morgan]

Thank you @Robbie morgan what would the method of application be, to what crop, at which time of year and how much would be applied?

Don't know its not mine it's Adam 1973 so need to contact him but see your point

 

[adam1971]

Just because someone can drive a tractor, it doesn't mean they can operate the machine on the back properly. Large scale is irrelevant - the best operators I know don't come from big outfits - they come from anywhere. Attention to detail is key.

I'd trust a good sprayer operator, or such like to do a better job of muckspreading than a guy who's spent his whole life doing it. It's all about being skillful and using those skills correctly.

Our operators are thoroughly trained with the equipment they are using, and audited regularly.

I am basis (all be it only foundation level), and FACTS qualified. All applications are done and follow all regulations and guidelines set out in rb209.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Thank you @Robbie morgan what would the method of application be, to what crop, at which time of year and how much would be applied?

Yes @Robbie morgan I had read the posts correctly now, so same question to @adam1971 please. A rough guide of the type of material would be helpful as well, is it food waste?

 

[adam1971]

Yes @Robbie morgan I had read the posts correctly now, so same question to @adam1971 please. A rough guide of the type of material would be helpful as well, is it food waste?

Look above , already posted

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

OK @adam1971 I have seen it now but what rate is applied?

 

[adam1971]

@Luke Cropwalker I've played ball, so You tell me what you would apply at, obviously soil indices comes into it.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

OK @adam1971 I will assume an application rate of 20T/Ha, shallow injected into grass in March. Assuming the material could be classed as food waste and AN is worth £260/T and TSP and MOP both at £300/T.

This application would supply 122Kg/Ha of crop available N, 45Kg/Ha of total P2O5 and 11Kg/Ha of Total K2O, based on these figures this application would be worth £131/Ha.

 

[adam1971]

This product is diluted x6 at plant, so spread at 120t/ha would give same results as you have given or as close as damned it.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Interesting that you say that I was thinking it would be too dry to shallow inject but was prepared to go along with your information. Why do they dilute so much, which must add massively to transport costs? If they dilute with waste water from the factory it will alter the analysis, the biggest issue I would have with that application rate is the fact that it is the equivalent of 12mm of rain and is asking to create pollution issues on any drained land.

 

[adam1971]

Interesting that you say that I was thinking it would be too dry to shallow inject but was prepared to go along with your information. Why do they dilute so much, which must add massively to transport costs? If they dilute with waste water from the factory it will alter the analysis, the biggest issue I would have with that application rate is the fact that it is the equivalent of 12mm of rain and is asking to create pollution issues on any drained land.

The EA will agree a total application rate. And part of the deployment process is thorough field mapping with land drains, water courses, footpaths etc clearly marked, so everyone from director and agronomist level, down to field operator level, can see. Operator has to legally have this 8 formation to hand whilst spreading.

 

[The_Swede]

The previously posted analysis seems to have disappeared now but anyway... relative to RB209 / MANNER standard values the 7kg/tonne or thereabouts of available N that this liquid offers appears massively high for a food waste!?

 

[adam1971]

Removed for a reason, it did give away some delicate info. But, it is 100% food waste. The EA police this quite heavily, so no-one can spread a product that is not of "significant agricultural benefit"

 

[warksfarmer]

I think we have established that the OP is trying to get rid of a waste product to farmland. In order that we all become greater informed does anyone on the forum know how much disposal at landfill or an AD plant would cost? Mods - would it be possible to move this thread to Agricultural Matters to get a wider audience?

AD gatefees vary widely. Farm ones would be £25/t upwards but the larger commercial ones in some instances would pay to get the waste to keep the plant alive. No feedstock and its dead.

Landfill your about £80 tax cost + the intake cost so from £100/tonne upwards.

 

[warksfarmer]

If this food waste is deployed then it costs £750 for every 50ha. Who pays for this?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...hment_data/file/303867/LPD1_form_guidance.pdf

Its probably listed in this but I can't be bothered to find it:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...cheme_and_Guidance_14-15_new_template_v10.pdf

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

If this food waste is deployed then it costs £750 for every 50ha. Who pays for this?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...hment_data/file/303867/LPD1_form_guidance.pdf

Its probably listed in this but I can't be bothered to find it:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...cheme_and_Guidance_14-15_new_template_v10.pdf

I would expect the supplier of the waste to pay for this, as well as spreading costs. The OP was wanting to put waste into farm lagoons, I suggested a gate fee would be appropriate in this instance.

 

[warksfarmer]

I would expect the supplier of the waste to pay for this, as well as spreading costs. The OP was wanting to put waste into farm lagoons, I suggested a gate fee would be appropriate in this instance.

Yep I know of (not seen it though) of an underground lagoon in South Warks storing waste to spread. They get paid for storing it. No idea how much other than its paying for the lagoon to go in.