Regional words, terms and phrases.

[Jockers84]

Good afternoon, I've been a long term follower of the farming forum, as a new start some of the things I've learnt have been truly priceless.

One thing that has struck me though, is every so often I will find a word, term or phrase that I'm just not 100% on what it means. This isn't limited to TFF, it also happens at livestock auctions, weekly farming publications and at the Vet if it's a locum or graduate.
I've put up this post so whenever anyone finds a word there not too sure on they can add a comment and hopefully someone can tell them/me what it actually means?

First - "Theaves" When referring to sheep, what does this mean?

Second - Selling ewes with lambs at foot, what does it mean when you see "a lamb and a half" Is that a ewe with a pair and a ewe with a single?

Might seem daft to some folk but there's plenty local dialects out there.

Cheers

 

[Hesstondriver]

do you have 'dockey' up there ?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

do you have 'dockey' up there ?

a what?

 

[Jockers84]

do you have 'dockey' up there ?

I'm sorry, you've lost me already lol

 

[Ffermer Bach]

here is a question, am I remembering right, when I can recall my grandfather talking about "cropping Sally trees", I have also never heard anyone else talking about using a "beetle" to knock in fence posts, or a "hacker" to split kindling wood.

I wonder whether Barley Ails is a local expression too? (Barley Awn)?

 

[Hesstondriver]

a what?

east anglian phrase

Docky = lunch / mid morning break,

also Docky time & docky bag !

Why is it called a docky bag? Well, docky is an East Anglian word that means lunch, so it is a lunch bag. But the word and the object carry more than a flask of tea: farm laborer right through to the mid twentieth century had their pay docked if they took a lunch break. So the ‘docky bag’ is a complex reminder of social status and of human rights. The bag puts the agricultural workers of the fens into the long history of protest for better working conditions and fair pay.

i used to think it was an international phrase , until i left Cambridgeshire and got a few blank looks when i asked about stopping for docky

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I stop for my bait (which is kept in my bait bag) and since I left Herefordshire, people look at me blankly when I talk about bait time!

 

[Farmer Fin]

here is a question, am I remembering right, when I can recall my grandfather talking about "cropping Sally trees", I have also never heard anyone else talking about using a "beetle" to knock in fence posts, or a "hacker" to split kindling wood.

I wonder whether Barley Ails is a local expression too? (Barley Awn)?

We hack sticks for kindling up here too.

 

[primmiemoo]

Good afternoon, I've been a long term follower of the farming forum, as a new start some of the things I've learnt have been truly priceless.

One thing that has struck me though, is every so often I will find a word, term or phrase that I'm just not 100% on what it means. This isn't limited to TFF, it also happens at livestock auctions, weekly farming publications and at the Vet if it's a locum or graduate.
I've put up this post so whenever anyone finds a word there not too sure on they can add a comment and hopefully someone can tell them/me what it actually means?

First - "Theaves" When referring to sheep, what does this mean?

Second - Selling ewes with lambs at foot, what does it mean when you see "a lamb and a half" Is that a ewe with a pair and a ewe with a single?

Might seem daft to some folk but there's plenty local dialects out there.

Cheers

Theaves? Well, I didn't know until now that there is a northern boundary for the term as well as a southern one!
They are two-tooth ewes. That's when their first two adult teeth have risen at the front of the jaw.

Ewes with lambs at foot are rearing their lambs. A ewe with one lamb at foot is a single couple. With two at foot is a double couple, etc.

A lamb and a half makes me think of an exceptionally good lamb, but I don't think that's it's meaning. I'll wait with you to see what others say

 

[Lowland1]

east anglian phrase

Docky = lunch / mid morning break,

also Docky time & docky bag !

Why is it called a docky bag? Well, docky is an East Anglian word that means lunch, so it is a lunch bag. But the word and the object carry more than a flask of tea: farm laborer right through to the mid twentieth century had their pay docked if they took a lunch break. So the ‘docky bag’ is a complex reminder of social status and of human rights. The bag puts the agricultural workers of the fens into the long history of protest for better working conditions and fair pay.

i used to think it was an international phrase , until i left Cambridgeshire and got a few blank looks when i asked about stopping for docky

I like the idea of lunch being the mid morning break I thought that was just a Lincolnshire thing.

 

[Werzle]

Good afternoon, I've been a long term follower of the farming forum, as a new start some of the things I've learnt have been truly priceless.

One thing that has struck me though, is every so often I will find a word, term or phrase that I'm just not 100% on what it means. This isn't limited to TFF, it also happens at livestock auctions, weekly farming publications and at the Vet if it's a locum or graduate.
I've put up this post so whenever anyone finds a word there not too sure on they can add a comment and hopefully someone can tell them/me what it actually means?

First - "Theaves" When referring to sheep, what does this mean?

Second - Selling ewes with lambs at foot, what does it mean when you see "a lamb and a half" Is that a ewe with a pair and a ewe with a single?

Might seem daft to some folk but there's plenty local dialects out there.

Cheers

6 ewes with 9 lambs would be classed as having a lamb and a half in market terms

 

[Werzle]

here is a question, am I remembering right, when I can recall my grandfather talking about "cropping Sally trees", I have also never heard anyone else talking about using a "beetle" to knock in fence posts, or a "hacker" to split kindling wood.

I wonder whether Barley Ails is a local expression too? (Barley Awn)?

We crop sallys, it means pollarding willow trees. A hacker is a hedging tool but we would call a anything smaller than an axe a hacker. A scythe/billhook is a hedgebill here too.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

I stop for my bait (which is kept in my bait bag) and since I left Herefordshire, people look at me blankly when I talk about bait time!

Bait is a northern thing, oft spoken in Yorkshire

 

[Jockers84]

east anglian phrase

Docky = lunch / mid morning break,

also Docky time & docky bag !

Why is it called a docky bag? Well, docky is an East Anglian word that means lunch, so it is a lunch bag. But the word and the object carry more than a flask of tea: farm laborer right through to the mid twentieth century had their pay docked if they took a lunch break. So the ‘docky bag’ is a complex reminder of social status and of human rights. The bag puts the agricultural workers of the fens into the long history of protest for better working conditions and fair pay.

i used to think it was an international phrase , until i left Cambridgeshire and got a few blank looks when i asked about stopping for docky

That's a "half yoking" up this way, cup of tea and biscuit mid morning, love it.

 

[Jockers84]

Theaves? Well, I didn't know until now that there is a northern boundary for the term as well as a southern one!
They are two-tooth ewes. That's when their first two adult teeth have risen at the front of the jaw.

Ewes with lambs at foot are rearing their lambs. A ewe with one lamb at foot is a single couple. With two at foot is a double couple, etc.

A lamb and a half makes me think of an exceptionally good lamb, but I don't think that's it's meaning. I'll wait with you to see what others say

That's a gimmer with us, remember I'm at the opposite end of the island though. Wonder if the "theaves" name originates with stealing lambs?

 

[adam_farming]

How many names are there for the runs up and down a field when the headland is encountered at an angle, so a triangle shaped piece is left? Scoots, Running work, Short work, etc I'm sure there are load more.
Same goes for headlands: end rigs, turn rows, outside breeds. In the US most seemed to call them the end rows, but that was mainly on corn/maize where they literally were rows

 

[Lowland1]

How many names are there for the runs up and down a field when the headland is encountered at an angle, so a triangle shaped piece is left? Scoots, Running work, Short work, etc I'm sure there are load more.
Same goes for headlands: end rigs, turn rows, outside breeds. In the US most seemed to call them the end rows, but that was mainly on corn/maize where they literally were rows

Short runs are gorings but here on our center pivots our headlands are called roundabouts not by me though.

 

[idgni]

have you heard of a "sheugh" pronounced more like~ "shuck"

 

[primmiemoo]

How many names are there for the runs up and down a field when the headland is encountered at an angle, so a triangle shaped piece is left? Scoots, Running work, Short work, etc I'm sure there are load more.
Same goes for headlands: end rigs, turn rows, outside breeds. In the US most seemed to call them the end rows, but that was mainly on corn/maize where they literally were rows

Is that where the name for braiding hair in rows comes from? Corn rows?

 

[adam_farming]

Is that where the name for braiding hair in rows comes from? Corn rows?

Could be, to be honest it's not something I've ever asked for at the hairdressers!!