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br jones

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18th March
YOUR MP: 'This war is far from over,' writes Monmouth MP David Davies
By Sarah Wigmore
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The “establishment” consists of people with leading roles in big business, the media, the law, the civil service and elsewhere. They believe their wealth and education means that they know what is good for the country better than the people who live in it. This loose grouping is present in all of the major political parties. The “establishment” is not a club with a list of members and set of rules. It is more of a mind-set. But nobody should be in any doubt about its existence and power.


The “establishment” was outraged by the vote to leave the European Union and the last three years has seen a determined and very clever effort to ensure that the vote is overturned or ignored. The 2016 referendum result has been challenged in the High Court and House of Lords; financial investigations have been launched into Leave donors; big business leaders with a hotline to the Chancellor have been threatening to leave if they don’t get their way (just as they did when they wanted us to join the Euro); Remain campaigners tell us without a shred of evidence that the public have “changed their minds”, or that the result was only “advisory”; and Brexit voters have been contemptuously vilified as old, uneducated, bigoted, tabloid readers. We have been treated with utter contempt.

I was prepared with a heavy heart to support the Prime Minister’s withdrawal deal as the best way to make Brexit happen. I also voted last week for us to leave with or without a deal on 29 March. It looks as though the “establishment” will not let it happen and this round may be won by the EU and its friends. The last three years have been an affront to democracy in Britain but the 17.5 million of us who voted to leave will never, ever give up. We will continue to fight for Brexit over the following weeks, months, year and - if necessary - decades.

It has become impossible to predict the parliamentary programme or the amendments to motions which will be selected by the Speaker – except to say that none of them will be helpful for Brexit supporters. I campaigned for Brexit and stood on a general election manifesto promising to deliver Brexit. I will simply use my best judgement to vote in any way necessary to try and get Brexit done. Last week the “establishment” won its battle – but this war is far from over.
 

Yacker

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David Davies..... idle, feckless and lazy

Not my words, a certain Tory chief wips....

Indignant, no plan, electioneering...

My words...
 

Forage Trader

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Ceredigion
The solution is easy
Walk away with no deal .short term pain long term gain
And the country keeps its dignity
Instead of being a laughing stock of the world . Spineless
What did the EU council do the other night .decide their way forward then go for drinks and food for 3 hours and keep the press waiting.
If you've got any pride left walk away
 
The solution is easy
Walk away with no deal .short term pain long term gain
And the country keeps its dignity
Instead of being a laughing stock of the world . Spineless
What did the EU council do the other night .decide their way forward then go for drinks and food for 3 hours and keep the press waiting.
If you've got any pride left walk away
Yes
 

Muck Spreader

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Location
Limousin
18th March
YOUR MP: 'This war is far from over,' writes Monmouth MP David Davies
By Sarah Wigmore
See both photos
26 comments

The “establishment” consists of people with leading roles in big business, the media, the law, the civil service and elsewhere. They believe their wealth and education means that they know what is good for the country better than the people who live in it. This loose grouping is present in all of the major political parties. The “establishment” is not a club with a list of members and set of rules. It is more of a mind-set. But nobody should be in any doubt about its existence and power.


The “establishment” was outraged by the vote to leave the European Union and the last three years has seen a determined and very clever effort to ensure that the vote is overturned or ignored. The 2016 referendum result has been challenged in the High Court and House of Lords; financial investigations have been launched into Leave donors; big business leaders with a hotline to the Chancellor have been threatening to leave if they don’t get their way (just as they did when they wanted us to join the Euro); Remain campaigners tell us without a shred of evidence that the public have “changed their minds”, or that the result was only “advisory”; and Brexit voters have been contemptuously vilified as old, uneducated, bigoted, tabloid readers. We have been treated with utter contempt.

I was prepared with a heavy heart to support the Prime Minister’s withdrawal deal as the best way to make Brexit happen. I also voted last week for us to leave with or without a deal on 29 March. It looks as though the “establishment” will not let it happen and this round may be won by the EU and its friends. The last three years have been an affront to democracy in Britain but the 17.5 million of us who voted to leave will never, ever give up. We will continue to fight for Brexit over the following weeks, months, year and - if necessary - decades.

It has become impossible to predict the parliamentary programme or the amendments to motions which will be selected by the Speaker – except to say that none of them will be helpful for Brexit supporters. I campaigned for Brexit and stood on a general election manifesto promising to deliver Brexit. I will simply use my best judgement to vote in any way necessary to try and get Brexit done. Last week the “establishment” won its battle – but this war is far from over.

And to quote David Davis:

If a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be democracy. We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. Referendums should be held when people know exactly what they’re getting.” :ROFLMAO:
 

br jones

Member
David Davies..... idle, feckless and lazy

Not my words, a certain Tory chief wips....

Indignant, no plan, electioneering...

My words...
My mp who when asked ,does something .has been a good mp for local people ,always working for his constituency, my oplnion.your mp is who ?
 
And to quote David Davis:

If a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be democracy. We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. Referendums should be held when people know exactly what they’re getting.” :ROFLMAO:
Interesting!
Where and when did he say this?
 
His words – taken from a speech on Europe in 2012 – were read back to him on the BBC’s Marr show. 2 Sept 2018.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/david-davis-asked-by-andrew-marr-about-the-people-vote-on-brexit-1-5678663
Thanks.
Oops! The words foot and mouth don't just refer to cloven-footed farm animals then.

Or does it?

I wonder what it was that changed his mind since 2012?
What did the EU specifically do to make him change his opinion since then?

More importantly, in this democracy, did he not change his mind?
Therefore is it not still democracy?

We did not vote on any blank sheet of paper, did we?
Haven't the details changed since the referendum, because the Remainer majority of the Government have desperately tried to soften of and change Brexit?

I, and I'm certain most of those who voted Leave thought we were voting to Fully leave.
Anybody claiming they didn't can easily be counterclaimed by those who voted for Remain, still hoping that further reforms were possible.


Have we all not said things that we later change our minds about?
Especially in the light of where events have altered?

Therefore wasn't Davis's quote taken out of context?
And isn't this absolutely typical of the BBC?
Or those who are desperate to change the result?
Or just cannot accept that their side lost?
 

br jones

Member
And to quote David Davis:

If a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be democracy. We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. Referendums should be held when people know exactly what they’re getting.” :ROFLMAO:
Wrong david davis my friend, there are at least 2 mps called david davis
 

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