Seaspiracy

[Chris123]

Anybody on here watched seaspiracy on Netflix? Doesn’t make good watching but after some of the programmes falsely portraying farming of late i’m at odds as to whether to believe all that was said in the programme. What do others think is it an accurate portrayal of what is happening?

 

[stroller]

Saw it the other night, I've been saying for years if farmers behaved like trawlers and dragged a net across the countryside ripping out trees, hedges etc and destroying the landscape to catch some fat beef cattle a long with all the other wildlife, then dumped it all in a pond to kill them as well as gutting while some were still alive, we would be stopped. But because its hidden from view no one cares, I don't like fish but the OH does, we were in a restaurant once and the waiter was extolling the virtues of the dolphin friendly tuna, I remarked the it might be friendly for the dolphin but it certainly wasn't for the tuna. At least farming is slightly more sustainable.

 

[Chris123]

Yeah agree out of sight so not as easy to see what is being done perhaps.
On the plus side if it does make people think twice about eating fish it may boost demand for lamb and beef

 

[S J H]

Saw it the other night, I've been saying for years if farmers behaved like trawlers and dragged a net across the countryside ripping out trees, hedges etc and destroying the landscape to catch some fat beef cattle a long with all the other wildlife, then dumped it all in a pond to kill them as well as gutting while some were still alive, we would be stopped. But because its hidden from view no one cares, I don't like fish but the OH does, we were in a restaurant once and the waiter was extolling the virtues of the dolphin friendly tuna, I remarked the it might be friendly for the dolphin but it certainly wasn't for the tuna. At least farming is slightly more sustainable.

Isn’t that what a lot of farming has already done?

Haven’t seen the programme, but beam trawlers to me seem a bit of a problem, but wouldn’t really want to criticise it until I’d seen it first hand.

 

[Yale]

Isn’t that what a lot of farming has already done?

Haven’t seen the programme, but beam trawlers to me seem a bit of a problem, but wouldn’t really want to criticise it until I’d seen it first hand.

Maybe they should be (fish) farm assured?

Red tractor fish anyone?

 

[topground]

Maybe they should be (fish) farm assured?

Red tractor fish anyone?

Red Trawler anyone?
I doubt the fishing community would be daft enough to fall for a Red Tractor modelled protection racket, they appear to be a mafia in their own right.

 

[Exfarmer]

Saw it the other night, I've been saying for years if farmers behaved like trawlers and dragged a net across the countryside ripping out trees, hedges etc and destroying the landscape to catch some fat beef cattle a long with all the other wildlife, then dumped it all in a pond to kill them as well as gutting while some were still alive, we would be stopped. But because its hidden from view no one cares, I don't like fish but the OH does, we were in a restaurant once and the waiter was extolling the virtues of the dolphin friendly tuna, I remarked the it might be friendly for the dolphin but it certainly wasn't for the tuna. At least farming is slightly more sustainable.

I agree, and there is little friendliness about dolphin friendly tuna. Caught on long lines perhaps 10, 12 miles length of line with other baited lines dangling off laid off. These are put out overnight and hauled in , but what happens when dolphins takes one of those caught tuna?

 

[Exfarmer]

The only good fishing is hand diving for shell fish, catching by individual rod and line or farmed fish

 

[stroller]

The only good fishing is hand diving for shell fish, catching by individual rod and line or farmed fish

Not if the farmed fish use pelleted fish for feed, they did a bit on salmon farming, film of salmon eaten alive with lice,

 

[Scholsey]

Went deep sea big game fishing in Cuba and was the most barbaric thing I have ever seen, with that chaviest idiots I have ever come across, well, next
to ‘pescatarians’.

 

[nick...]

I watched it after cousin posted a link on Facebook.found it quite disturbing and worrying.found it hard to beleive that a lot was subsidised but obviously similar to farming.the shark fin bit and dolphin killing were horrendous,as was the whale capture and kill.if we beleive what was portrayed there are not many years left of fish in the sea.
nick...

 

[Macsky]

The only good fishing is hand diving for shell fish, catching by individual rod and line or farmed fish

I would add creel fishing to that too, very limited with what you can do with it, pretty sustainable I would say, and the likes of prawns are notoriously hard to catch, they can come and go overnight with things like tides/wind/rainfall/temperature etc etc seeming to play a part, I know a few seasoned fishermen who will readily admit that they haven’t a clue exactly what governs their availability and how, they just have to take what they can get. They’re also good at throwing back small or breeding creatures, especially lobsters.

 

[N.Yorks.]

Watched it and was amazed at how the certification bodies for 'sustainable' fishing etc were just a subscription exercise and not worth the paper it was printed on.......

Too many humans......... the usual problem at the heart of it all.

 

[N.Yorks.]

Not if the farmed fish use pelleted fish for feed, they did a bit on salmon farming, film of salmon eaten alive with lice,

What was the ratio of food for farmed salmon? Weren't they feeding more weight of fish protein to the farmed fish than they actually harvested.

 

[nick...]

Watched it and was amazed at how the certification bodies for 'sustainable' fishing etc were just a subscription exercise and not worth the paper it was printed on.......

Too many humans......... the usual problem at the heart of it all.

Bit like crop assurance
nick...

 

[primmiemoo]

Haven't watched the programme in the OP, but have followed This Fishing Life avidly, which focuses on industrial fishing in British waters.

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The fishermen in both series are working as sustainably as possible. Their form of enlightened hunting deserves our support, imv.

 

[stroller]

What was the ratio of food for farmed salmon? Weren't they feeding more weight of fish protein to the farmed fish than they actually harvested.

Wasn't it 1:1.2 or something? The OH has decided not to eat fish again.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Fish farming absolutely obliterates the environment around where it is done. The huge volumes of fish waste and parasites in the water around them is a disgrace.

That long lining should be illegal. All sorts of species hooked and left to die, should be banned.

The problem you have are that vast numbers of fishermen who aren't from the UK or even the EU. Huge Russian factory fishing vessels that are robbing other people's waters blind and then freezing them for the journey home. Its a big problem and one of the reasons that the African pirates have turned to armed robbery on the high seas- can't make fishing pay.

 

[Exfarmer]

The big thing about fish farming , is that it is bad for a very small area of the environment.
This is as nothing to the damage being done to extremely delicate environments all round the world.
The damage done to coral reefs is utterly appalling.
Yes the fish farms use fish protein but this can be supplied from waste fish if it was not all discarded. Long lining, long netting and bottom trawling under power should be banned.
However we can be certain , even if we could persaude our European friends to join such a ban it would be far harder to do the same for those in the East and it is certain that China would completely ignore any type of ban.

 

[Hampton]

Cornelis Vrolijk - The Trawler which Catches 23% of England's Fish | British Sea Fishing

In November 2014 the British media reported that a single Dutch trawler, the Cornelis Vrolijk, had the right to catch 23% of England’s entire fishing quota.

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