Second wheat varieties

[Brisel]

As a distraction to the soggy non existent spring drilling programme, I'm looking ahead to the autumn and want to reduce my spring cropping area, currently about 1/3 of the farm thanks to blackgrass. Winter barley for feed isn't really any good for blackgrass control in terms of herbicide options, so I'm looking at reintroducing second wheats with a fairly early harvest date so I can establish OSR or cover crops in good time. Zyatt has done ok here in the past as a second wheat, but if we lose tebuconazole, controlling yellow rust will be tricky. I currently have a field of Extase I'm breeding up for next year's seed as well as one of Zyatt. In summary:

• Early maturing
• Milling preferred as the grain goes to a central store, so good added value opportunities though Group 2 is an option.
• Will be strip till drilled, so needs to tiller well. 25 cm row spacing.
• No hybrids. Seed policy is to buy in a couple of tonnes of C2 to breed up for the following season.
• Fairly light land by most peoples' standards, though unlikely to get Latitude seed dressing. Higher seed rates are cheaper with HSS. Seed is disease tested.
• Not too fussed by eyespot rating as fungicide product choice is still good, though high risk on farm given the establishment method.

Current contenders:

• Skyfall - rusty and not good on septoria anymore though a good Gp1 market
• Zyatt - as above
• Extase - Gp2 only and showing signs of losing disease resistance
• Palladium
• Any others I should consider?

 

[AlphaBravoPapaSux]

All second wheats here are Extase, with the slightly later drilling date I love the way it just gets up and goes for it.
Also grow Palladium, group 2 blend and crusoe. All hit over 12% protein last harvest and have all moved to ADM at Avonmouth as full spec milling with the same premium - so I wouldn’t consider Skyfall or Zyatt when the milling premium isn’t any bigger

 

[teslacoils]

Shame Soissons didn't tiller....

Just extase then.

 

[Wigeon]

Cordiale still available?

 

[T Hectares]

Extase has grown away so well after being drilled on Dec 1st here
Hard to look past it in that situation

 

[teslacoils]

Cordiale still available?

Never really found it good for tillering.

 

[ajd132]

Anyone know what SY cheer is like as a second wheat and tillering? It’s the new group 1.

 

[Hindsight]

Does no one consider Orange Wheat Blossom Midge now? 2004 last national damaging year (when Robigus and the Elsoms varieties stood head and shoulders by over a ton an acre above the non resistant varieties). Always bemuses me how little regard is now attached to this pest. No Chlorpyrifos. Pyrethroids next to useless. Dow (Corteva now) no longer bothering, nor anyone else with soil sampling and providing foward guidance, as no commercial benefit from sales of Durban. Probably about 7 days advance notice of a bad year when farmers and advisers in the South spot an influx. Of course the conditions for serious damage are quite specific - which is why it is an occasional pest (very Occasional). But I can recall 1992 (Rialto was slaughtered) and of course 2004. I noticed a few days ago as I was looking up some data on my laptop that the last year I operated a few OWBM traps was 2018. Hey ho.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Does no one consider Orange Wheat Blossom Midge now? 2004 last national damaging year (when Robigus and the Elsoms varieties stood head and shoulders by over a ton an acre above the non resistant varieties). Always bemuses me how little regard is now attached to this pest. No Chlorpyrifos. Pyrethroids next to useless. Dow (Corteva now) no longer bothering, nor anyone else with soil sampling and providing foward guidance, as no commercial benefit from sales of Durban. Probably about 7 days advance notice of a bad year when farmers and advisers in the South spot an influx. Of course the conditions for serious damage are quite specific - which is why it is an occasional pest (very Occasional). But I can recall 1992 (Rialto was slaughtered) and of course 2004. I noticed a few days ago as I was looking up some data on my laptop that the last year I operated a few OWBM traps was 2018. Hey ho.

Hostathion was the best ( )

General rule with these issues is, if there's no control options, don't go looking for the problem.

 

[BuskhillFarm]

Extase preforms well here, using a bit of Astronomer here on 3rd wheats this year, looking promising so far

 

[Fish]

Wild card, Mayflower.

 

[fudge]

I wonder if we are in part of the cycle where people are keen on milling varieties because feed margins are reducing? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in the next part of the cycle milling premiums are greatly reduced

 

[nxy]

Triticale would be the automatic choice for that slot here, though I know marketing it is a problem in the UK.
When I take account of specification deductions triticale can be the same price as wheat on my land.
Plus 2nd wheat would get an extra fungicide and 40 more units of N to get same yield.
And we have to diversify crops for greening payments and too much wheat is a problem.

 

[Brisel]

Anyone know what SY cheer is like as a second wheat and tillering? It’s the new group 1.

Only 95 in the second wheat listings in the RL. I don't know if NIAB have any better data.

 

[Brisel]

I wonder if we are in part of the cycle where people are keen on milling varieties because feed margins are reducing? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in the next part of the cycle milling premiums are greatly reduced

Bust following the recent boom? It could well be, but 2 years before marketing assuming I breed a small quantity up it's hard to call this early. I'm a Camgrain member, which makes sending feed wheat in pointless and very expensive.

 

[Brisel]

Does no one consider Orange Wheat Blossom Midge now? 2004 last national damaging year (when Robigus and the Elsoms varieties stood head and shoulders by over a ton an acre above the non resistant varieties). Always bemuses me how little regard is now attached to this pest. No Chlorpyrifos. Pyrethroids next to useless. Dow (Corteva now) no longer bothering, nor anyone else with soil sampling and providing foward guidance, as no commercial benefit from sales of Durban. Probably about 7 days advance notice of a bad year when farmers and advisers in the South spot an influx. Of course the conditions for serious damage are quite specific - which is why it is an occasional pest (very Occasional). But I can recall 1992 (Rialto was slaughtered) and of course 2004. I noticed a few days ago as I was looking up some data on my laptop that the last year I operated a few OWBM traps was 2018. Hey ho.

Not really. We haven't had a bad WOBM year for a while. 2004-2007 I was getting good responses from Dursban from not insignificant WOBM pressure. One day, we will get hammered again but for now I'll take the IPM4 on second wheat as sowing in mid October should mean a low risk of BYDV.

Lemon blossom midge seems to be the new OBM.

 

[Brisel]

Triticale would be the automatic choice for that slot here, though I know marketing it is a problem in the UK.
When I take account of specification deductions triticale can be the same price as wheat on my land.
Plus 2nd wheat would get an extra fungicide and 40 more units of N to get same yield.
And we have to diversify crops for greening payments and too much wheat is a problem.

Triticale is hard to market here & is discounted heavily vs wheat into feed rations unless you have your own stock. Wholecrop or AD feed only really, unless you're on sand, then in which case you won't be growing second wheat anyway.

 

[bankrupt]

I'm a Camgrain member, which makes sending feed wheat in pointless and very expensive.

 

[Brisel]

Yeah. Not much cheaper for milling either, but at least it gives them something to play around with to "add value".

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

I like the flexibility of Skyfall with the late safe sowing date, however it can be susceptible to yellow rust on young plants when late sown.