Self employment

[Sid]

Worker does gfw and milking on a farm. Neither party really happy with each other so worker gives notice he's leaving.

What is a reasonable time to give? And what is the least he could give.

My take would be he could walk out at any time.
Time for the TFF knowledge base to give opinion

 

[Al R]

If self employed I don’t think any length of notice needs to be given?
Find a replacement to milk would be priority before giving the notice mind.

 

[Sid]

If self employed I don’t think any length of notice needs to be given?
Find a replacement to milk would be priority before giving the notice mind.

That's what I took self employment meant.
Can give up any work at anytime.

 

[fieldfarmer]

I thought the right thing was to use your payment terms, ie, paid weekly one weeks notice, paid monthly one months notice, paid to complete a set job you can quite when finished.

 

[Nearly]

Just after the cheque clears?

 

[Farfrae]

If he does gfw and milking on just one farm and has no say as to how he operates his business and carries out his work he is probably not technically self employed and HMRC may have an interest as they may see him as an employee.

According to HMRC. Someone is probably self-employed if MOST of the following are true:

• they’re in business for themselves, are responsible for the success or failure of their business and can make a loss or a profit
• they can decide what work they do and when, where or how to do it
• they can hire someone else to do the work
• they’re responsible for fixing any unsatisfactory work in their own time
• their employer agrees a fixed price for their work - it doesn’t depend on how long the job takes to finish
• they use their own money to buy business assets, cover running costs, and provide tools and equipment for their work
• they can work for more than one client

 

[Sid]

If he does gfw and milking on just one farm and has no say as to how he operates his business and carries out his work he is probably not technically self employed and HMRC may have an interest as they may see him as an employee.

According to HMRC. Someone is probably self-employed if MOST of the following are true:

• they’re in business for themselves, are responsible for the success or failure of their business and can make a loss or a profit
• they can decide what work they do and when, where or how to do it
• they can hire someone else to do the work
• they’re responsible for fixing any unsatisfactory work in their own time
• their employer agrees a fixed price for their work - it doesn’t depend on how long the job takes to finish
• they use their own money to buy business assets, cover running costs, and provide tools and equipment for their work
• they can work for more than one client

I almost put I didn't want the legal mumbo jumbo.

Now you try and find someone to employ thats not self employed. Good luck!

 

[Princess Pooper]

I almost put I didn't want the legal mumbo jumbo.

Now you try and find someone to employ thats not self employed. Good luck!

just a warning - if HMRC deem them to be employed then it is the employer who is then liable to back pay all the tax and NI. And they regard the past payments to the worker as the net amount not the gross.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

That's what I took self employment meant.
Can give up any work at anytime.

Yes can just walk of the job . May make payment odd mind if jobs half finnished

 

[Still Farming]

If been good with you maybe stay to help until new one arrives .
Otherwise walk.
Months notice usually if employed

 

[Highland Mule]

If they are self employed, then there is no mutuality of obligation over and above anything in contract. Have a look at what the contract says (note, the is a contract to supply services, not one of employment) and abide by the terms of that.

Otherwise, it comes to moral obligation, so consider what notice you would like, were the roles reversed.

 

[nick...]

I’d work for a week or two so don’t leave on bad terms.our industry ain’t that big and word soon gets round
Nick...

 

[betweenthelines]

If someone doesn't want to work for you any more,they can leave whenever they want-you can't force them to work, can you? If pushed, they'll get a sick note.

Employment status is largely irrelevant.

I would hope that farmers, mainly employing only a few people, would know when someone is unhappy (or ambitious) and could part "by mutual agreement" like football managers.

Of course, if you're an arsehole who regularly sacks people, expect the odd one or two to drive the tractor over the upturned spike harrows on their last day!

 

[fgc325j]

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If he does gfw and milking on just one farm and has no say as to how he operates his business and carries out his work he is probably not technically self employed and HMRC may have an interest as they may see him as an employee.

According to HMRC. Someone is probably self-employed if MOST of the following are true:

• they’re in business for themselves, are responsible for the success or failure of their business and can make a loss or a profit
• they can decide what work they do and when, where or how to do it
• they can hire someone else to do the work
• they’re responsible for fixing any unsatisfactory work in their own time
• their employer agrees a fixed price for their work - it doesn’t depend on how long the job takes to finish
• they use their own money to buy business assets, cover running costs, and provide tools and equipment for their work
• they can work for more than one client

When i started doing relief milking, around 2003, i was told that as long as i had a min. of 3 clients i was
considered to be self-employed. Since i had 2 clients for milking and also did tractor driving for 2 other
farmers at silage time, and had full invoices for the work done i was o.k with HMRC. The paper
work is the be all and end all with them - beauracrats