SFI....FUBAR

[Henarar]

The only land use to receive an area payment should be PP.

at what rate were you thinking ?

 

[delilah]

at what rate were you thinking ?

Attached from 2021. Was shared on here at the time. The numbers weren't that important then, and with everything that has happened in the last 3 years are less so now. The principle still stands.

 

[Henarar]

Attached from 2021. Was shared on here at the time. The numbers weren't that important then, and with everything that has happened in the last 3 years are less so now. The principle still stands.

not another fecking word doc, can't you just say how much

 

[delilah]

not another fecking word doc, can't you just say how much

Oh yeah, sorry, forgot your attachment phobia......it would be a weighted payment, starting at £220/Ha for the Zummerzet farmer and falling off a cliff to £2/Ha by the time you get over to East Anglia.

 

[Henarar]

Oh yeah, sorry, forgot your attachment phobia......it would be a weighted payment, starting at £220/Ha for the Zummerzet farmer and falling off a cliff to £2/Ha by the time you get over to East Anglia.

sounds just how it should be

 

[Green oak]

in arable terms "best" is defined by output potential - sfi not attractive on 5t wheat land but it's very attractive on sub 3t land. Sfi not attractive on land that can grow high value crops like veg etc but attractive on hard to farm, poorly drained land etc

DEFRA had this right - economics would have set the % that was lost to food production and they could have adjusted that dimply by adjusting payment rates for none food crop options


As I said i'm looking at this purely from a arable point of view and I guess DEFRA focussed there as thats where the biggest wins are re reduction of synthetic input use and BNG etc - livestock farms are victim here of being to good to start with so less room to improve ?

Trouble is 5 tonne wheat land in my area can quickly become 2.5 tonne. If you cannot apply a stack of winter herbicide. There going to be some disappointed farmers come may/june. Black grass is unbelievably post Christmas. And I’d imagine the one stack approach was worn out mid November. With the mild wet winter.

 

[DrWazzock]

Done the sums here. When all aspects are considered we are sticking with winter cereal production weather permitting. Still better payers than SFI and simpler. We might try a bit of herbal ley for grazing and maybe a hectare of pollinator mix in a forestry jut in but that’s as far as we will go. Might also enter my present voluntary rewilding awkward corners into “grassy corners“ and also include a water course buffer strip but we will stick to the spirit of the scheme not take the Mickey as cereal and sheep production is still our bread and butter and worthwhile.

 

[DrWazzock]

I don’t think we should let one rubbish cropping year cause us a knee jerk reaction into all out SFI. Farming has always been a roller coaster but usually averages out.

 

[Hindsight]

Done the sums here. When all aspects are considered we are sticking with winter cereal production weather permitting. Still better payers than SFI and simpler. We might try a bit of herbal ley for grazing and maybe a hectare of pollinator mix in a forestry jut in but that’s as far as we will go. Might also enter my present voluntary rewilding awkward corners into “grassy corners“ and also include a water course buffer strip but we will stick to the spirit of the scheme not take the Mickey as cereal and sheep production is still our bread and butter and worthwhile.

Concurr. But for contract farmed land. Or land let out on an FBT DEFRA was and still is with NUM3 ones tenant of choice.

 

[DrWazzock]

Concurr. But for contract farmed land. Or land let out on an FBT DEFRA was and still is with NUM3 ones tenant of choice.

Well maybe NUM3. But
a) successful establishment of clover especially on heavy land isn’t always easy.
b) I’ve concerns about BG build up especially on heavy areas where clover establishes poorly.
I’ll still try the OSR roulette wheel more mindful of when to pull the plug before spending big on herbicides.
I’m a bit interested in something I’ve discovered by accident about winter wheat on light land. The very late drilled wheat suffers much less from take all. The early drilled stuff suffers from take all in the lightest sand even with a break crop. That’s my suspicion from experience. What we thought was manganese is actually severe take all as a result of early drilling. Identical light soil drilled after Christmas shows no dieback at all.

 

[DrWazzock]

We’ve also found that if you have used diflufenican in the previous crop it can be very hard to get a decent stand of clover during the first year following. The clover only really takes off if you give it another year.