SFI improved grassland

[dannewhouse]

how long does Temporary improved grassland have to be in the scheme for?

I'm wanting to enter my grazing (which will be periodically re seeded for the mid tier so going to put 15% herbal lays in.

but i have some 2year mowing lays moving around my arable land, can i claim on these? they will move and areas alter a bit every year or do they have to remain for 3 years? (i will make sure the 15% herbal in my grazing considers this extra area)

i realise i can claim the mowing lays on the arable scheme but that's £40/Ha rather than the £58 for improved grassland.

 

[dannewhouse]

i might have to enter the mowing as arable area as the arable scheme seems to be for 3 years so if I'm claiming on the arable and the temporary grass lands within the 3 years it will have to be down as arable area?

 

[delilah]

You're trying to make the SFI work on a traditional mixed farm ? Good luck with that.

Don't mean to appear negative, hopefully someone will come along and give you definitive answers to your questions. There's free advice available, you could get a consultant to help with it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/get-free-business-advice-for-your-farm

 

[Vader]

You're trying to make the SFI work on a traditional mixed farm ? Good luck with that.

Don't mean to appear negative, hopefully someone will come along and give you definitive answers to your questions. There's free advice available, you could get a consultant to help with it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/get-free-business-advice-for-your-farm

Trouble is what do the advisers know?
Keep seeing stuff saying we all need to do sfi as it's better than nothing.
All seem to focus on the actual money you get, not the cost to get it either by planting/doing stuff or having to change way you farm.

Janet and her 2nd in command were convinced that it would work for me.
Could not seem to get that I would have to change my system to less profitable 1 to do so.

 

[Hindsight]

Trouble is what do the advisers know?
Keep seeing stuff saying we all need to do sfi as it's better than nothing.
All seem to focus on the actual money you get, not the cost to get it either by planting/doing stuff or having to change way you farm.

Janet and her 2nd in command were convinced that it would work for me.
Could not seem to get that I would have to change my system to less profitable 1 to do so.

But Janet and her second in command were not and are not interested in seeing an alternative point of view. The whole ELMS project is about behavioral change. Behavioural change of farmers and land managers to deliver a landscape and farming system deemed by Defra. The behavioral change implemented by a combination of regulation and reward now that Defra has control of the BPS CAP budget and can write the rules. Fun times.

 

[Spencer]

Does anyone else find the term “land manager” a trigger.....

 

[Hindsight]

Does anyone else find the term “land manager” a trigger.....

Do you not identify as a land manager!!! Amongst your many identifications!!!

 

[Spencer]

Do you not identify as a land manager!!! Amongst your many identifications!!!

A ha.. that’s it. I should label myself so I fit the narrative

 

[Hindsight]

A ha.. that’s it. I should label myself so I fit the narrative

Thats the ticket

 

[Vader]

Thought farmers were labeled 'environment destroying bumpkins '

That's why they need nature and landscape recovery (not they trigger words...)

 

[True North]

I was told this week to apply for SFI as 'the money is there' and I cannot make head nor tail of what i'm applying for on any given application, for a goverment dpeartment the infrastructure on the onboarding is terrible.

I've mixed woodland and permanent grassland and not sure what the heck I can for apart from plant more trees, soil test, and buy bird boxes.

 

[Spencer]

I was told this week to apply for SFI as 'the money is there' and I cannot make head nor tail of what i'm applying for on any given application, for a goverment dpeartment the infrastructure on the onboarding is terrible.

I've mixed woodland and permanent grassland and not sure what the heck I can for apart from plant more trees, soil test, and buy bird boxes.

Add some clover to your grassland? Use low inputs if you already do? Do you reseed ever? Plant some herbal leys.. There’s a bit but not a lot for grassland

 

[True North]

how long does Temporary improved grassland have to be in the scheme for?

I'm wanting to enter my grazing (which will be periodically re seeded for the mid tier so going to put 15% herbal lays in.

but i have some 2year mowing lays moving around my arable land, can i claim on these? they will move and areas alter a bit every year or do they have to remain for 3 years? (i will make sure the 15% herbal in my grazing considers this extra area)

i realise i can claim the mowing lays on the arable scheme but that's £40/Ha rather than the £58 for improved grassland.

This really confuses me, what is classed as improved grassland - how are you improving it? Feed and seed?

Add some clover to your grassland? Use low inputs if you already do? Do you reseed ever? Plant some herbal leys.. There’s a bit but not a lot for grassland

I've got clover (could always get more) problem is i've no real kit for seeding so contractor job? What do you mean by low inputs please?
I will have a look at herbel ley - is it all reseeding/grass improvement?

Thanks very helpful.

 

[Spencer]

This really confuses me, what is classed as improved grassland - how are you improving it? Feed and seed?

I've got clover (could always get more) problem is i've no real kit for seeding so contractor job? What do you mean by low inputs please?
I will have a look at herbel ley - is it all reseeding/grass improvement?

Thanks very helpful.

They don’t know you’ve got clover, buy some clover seed, keep recipes and add more clover. Don’t need a contractor, feed it to your stock or put it in slurry tanker

 

[True North]

They don’t know you’ve got clover, buy some clover seed, keep recipes and add more clover. Don’t need a contractor, feed it to your stock or put it in slurry tanker

If I can hand seed I will do that, no slurry tanker. Can you feed sheep the seed?

 

[4course]

I was told this week to apply for SFI as 'the money is there' and I cannot make head nor tail of what i'm applying for on any given application, for a goverment dpeartment the infrastructure on the onboarding is terrible.

I've mixed woodland and permanent grassland and not sure what the heck I can for apart from plant more trees, soil test, and buy bird boxes.

wheres the bit about getting paid for bird boxes within sfi,have I missed it

 

[True North]

Countryside Stewardship WB1/2/3

 

[4course]

I think that temp ley and improved grassland are totally different in that improved grassland is pp that over the years has been reseeded or seeds added ,fertilized with bag-bought in fertilizer ,limed etc and probably sprayed whereas temp grass is in an arable rotation for no more than 5 years in the same place could be 1,2 3,or 4 yrs , might be wrong but thats my take on it

 

[True North]

Add some clover to your grassland? Use low inputs if you already do? Do you reseed ever? Plant some herbal leys.. There’s a bit but not a lot for grassland

Wont let me apply for Num 3 anad LIG2 herbal ley and the low input management on the land for some reason...I get errors. No idea why?

Not reseeded for years, very little kit currently so contractors or by hand at the minute.

 

[Hindsight]

Wont let me apply for Num 3 anad LIG2 herbal ley and the low input management on the land for some reason...I get errors. No idea why?

Not reseeded for years, very little kit currently so contractors or by hand at the minute.

NUM3 is legume fallow - for arable land £593ha won't go if land cover is Permanent Pasture
LIG2 is low input grass in SDA £151Ha

Neither is a herbal ley code. Herbal Ley code is SAM3 £382ha. SAM3 is the herbal ley. Will go on Permanent Pasture and Arable land cover.