SFI the grand plan

[ppottersfarm]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

 

[How Dairy]

I think it is because the Government has plans for net zero and agriculture is just one sector or lots of sectors that are under scrutiny. There is now the UK Emissions Trading Scheme which seems to cap emission levels for all (non ag) sectors and allow companies to purchase additional credit or sell their excess to other companies.

I don't understand why it would be in the Government's best interest to reduce food production and to have this as a primary driver for environmental subsidy?! The caps on land into schemes is a response to what we could all have predicted.

 

[delilah]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

Glad I don't belong to your discussion group.

 

[teslacoils]

Were all the attendees wearing tinfoil hats?

 

[robs1]

Even if individuals couldn't or rather didn't want to upscale production then plenty of others would, obviously it would take a while due to the time taken to sow and reap or breed more stock and it would need commodity prices high enough to make a profit.

 

[Nearly]

Were all the attendees wearing tinfoil hats?

Perhaps I should be selling tinfoil hat kits?

 

[Vader]

Even if individuals couldn't or rather didn't want to upscale production then plenty of others would, obviously it would take a while due to the time taken to sow and reap or breed more stock and it would need commodity prices high enough to make a profit.

How do you upscale without more land?
You saying people not producing as much as they could now?

 

[farenheit]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

The purpose being?

 

[robs1]

How do you upscale without more land?
You saying people not producing as much as they could now?

I assuming that a lot of farmers have scaled back production by using sfi options such as low inputs on grass wild flower/ bird food options, or margins etc not giving up blocks of land entirely

 

[Jackov Altraids]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

I fear it might happen, but that wasn't the plan.

I think they thought they could use the same £3 billion to meet net-zero and bio-diversity targets, keep production high and keep control of farmers.




BPS was more successful on all fronts.

 

[steveR]

I fear it might happen, but that wasn't the plan.

I think they thought they could use the same £3 billion to meet net-zero and bio-diversity targets, keep production high and keep control of farmers.




BPS was more successful on all fronts.

Well, if they had actually pushed that £3B in a more focused fashion, instead of spaffing it on the funky stuff that Bojo and Co thought was such a wonderful idea, some of the "Great Plan", might have come to fruition...

As it is an awful lot of us will take the 3 years dosh of NUM3 and the like, then see what transpires.

As you say BPS was better and with some tweaks could have done so much more...

 

[bobk]

SFI has come at a good time , fields need a rest , high input prices , sh!t commodity prices and I'm not wearing machines out
Also my handicap will come down , win win

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Well, if they had actually pushed that £3B in a more focused fashion, instead of spaffing it on the funky stuff that Bojo and Co thought was such a wonderful idea, some of the "Great Plan", might have come to fruition...

As it is an awful lot of us will take the 3 years dosh of NUM3 and the like, then see what transpires.

As you say BPS was better and with some tweaks could have done so much more...

I agree but to be clear, I don't think BPS was good, it just delivered the aims of SFI, better than SFI. IMHO.

 

[soapsud]

SFI has come at a good time , fields need a rest , high input prices , sh!t commodity prices and I'm not wearing machines out
Also my handicap will come down , win win

I knew a digger driver who love "goff"!
The club rule he couldn't stick to was talking about work. £10 fine per go. He reckoned he paid his membership fee several times over in a year!

 

[fudge]

I think it is because the Government has plans for net zero and agriculture is just one sector or lots of sectors that are under scrutiny. There is now the UK Emissions Trading Scheme which seems to cap emission levels for all (non ag) sectors and allow companies to purchase additional credit or sell their excess to other companies.

I don't understand why it would be in the Government's best interest to reduce food production and to have this as a primary driver for environmental subsidy?! The caps on land into schemes is a response to what we could all have predicted.

Spot on. SFI is under pinned by the idea of net zero. Net zero in turn is a fraudulent policy to perpetuate fossil fuel use dressed up as action on climate change. No one understands it because it's nonsense.

 

[Spencer]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

Spend your SFI money on a straw shed

 

[fudge]

Spend your SFI money on a straw shed

That was disastrous for one of the little pigs. Sticks not much better. Indeed the whole drax thing turned into an expensive nightmare! Culminating in a billion pound bill for something called "carbon capture". Sad little pigs.

 

[Tarw Coch]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

My concern would be that they get farmers to sign up to various options that involve taking land out of production and then after time remove the money but keep the rules in place.
Wasn’t there a long running thread on here somewhere where someone had put some land into some sort of stewardship scheme and at the end of the term wasn’t allowed to put that land back into full production. Haven’t seen it lately and didn’t follow it closely at the time but I seen to remember it was a battle that was ongoing over several years, I don’t know how or if it has ended.
So some might call it tinfoil hat territory but I would say the government and their various departments already have form in this area so I certainly wouldn’t trust them.
Of course we might all get locked in to taking land out of production in time wether we take the money or not so may as well take it whilst it’s there.

 

[ajd132]

The plan for SFI is to get farmers to downscale their production, then remove SFI completely, so the farmers cant then get back in the game thus reducing the uk’s food production by at the very least 25% but more likely 50%.

Came up in a local farm discussion group. Discuss.

It’s the farmers choice…

 

[trebornella]

It’s the farmers choice…

At the moment. Do you trust the government?????