Sfp, whittled down to nothing.

[Greythundercloudys]

Read an article on how this money is to be done away with, but it said that a 150ha farm would get around 34000 grand. Or 94£a hectare, lv only 12 hectare less than that and get nothing like that, where in the country gets that a hectare, not in upland Scotland anyways.

 

[Brisel]

Are you in a SDA or have moorland?

 

[Sharpy]

Read an article on how this money is to be done away with, but it said that a 150ha farm would get around 34000 grand. Or 94£a hectare, lv only 12 hectare less than that and get nothing like that, where in the country gets that a hectare, not in upland Scotland anyways.

Are you mixing hectares and acres?

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Yes, sorry an acre, must be good acres.

 

[Purli R]

I"d tek £94 acre,no messing.

 

[Highland Mule]

Adding all my 2017 payments together (BPS, LFA, BPSS), (mostly R2, a small bit R1 and all LFA), I averaged out at a shade over £88/hectare.

 

[Farma Parma]

i better keep quiet then as my BPS & HLS is into 3 figures per Ac.
isnt most folks on atleast the flat rate per Ac for BPS like? which was around £94/ac last couple of years

 

[delilah]

Adding all my 2017 payments together (BPS, LFA, BPSS), (mostly R2, a small bit R1 and all LFA), I averaged out at a shade over £88/hectare.

Just added all our payments together. Loads of permanent pasture, hedgerows, ponds, streams. Biodiversity coming out of our ears.

Payments come to the square root of sweet fa. Sooner it is reformed the better.

 

[Highland Mule]

Just added all our payments together. Loads of permanent pasture, hedgerows, ponds, streams. Biodiversity coming out of our ears.

Payments come to the square root of sweet fa. Sooner it is reformed the better.

If it really is "the square root of fa" then I fear you only have yourself to blame. Buy some entitlement and claim the money while you can - only the least competent of business owners would decline free income. The money I invested in entitlement in Jan 2012 and March 2016 has so far been returned to me over 6 times.

 

[Highland Mule]

i better keep quiet then as my BPS & HLS is into 3 figures per Ac.
isnt most folks on atleast the flat rate per Ac for BPS like? which was around £94/ac last couple of years

I'm in Scotland - we have a different system up here.

 

[Chae1]

Funny most of other threads you start are on what you've just bought, or are planning buying.

 

[delilah]

If it really is "the square root of fa" then I fear you only have yourself to blame. Buy some entitlement and claim the money while you can - only the least competent of business owners would decline free income. The money I invested in entitlement in Jan 2012 and March 2016 has so far been returned to me over 6 times.

We fly graze the sh!tty bits of ground that no-one else wants. Much of it isn't registered. We have 14 landlords. The administrative burden of attempting to make use of the current payment scheme would be prohibitive. This ground is the most bio-diverse farmland in the parish, and we get sod all for maintaining it as such.

But thank you for your constructive advice

 

[Brisel]

I'll bet you get very cheap or free grazing though

 

[Highland Mule]

We fly graze the sh!tty bits of ground that no-one else wants. Much of it isn't registered. We have 14 landlords. The administrative burden of attempting to make use of the current payment scheme would be prohibitive. This ground is the most bio-diverse farmland in the parish, and we get sod all for maintaining it as such.

But thank you for your constructive advice

I too have multiple landlords (seven this year - some cheap or free, some not) and fly graze and keep bio-diverse a number of small land parcels, and I still manage to claim - balancing the areas I have access to against my entitlement on a year by year basis. The administrative burden takes me a couple of hours once a year and isn't actually that bad at all - certainly worth my time.

But if you can't be bothered, that's up to you.

 

[delilah]

I too have multiple landlords (seven this year - some cheap or free, some not) and fly graze and keep bio-diverse a number of small land parcels, and I still manage to claim - balancing the areas I have access to against my entitlement on a year by year basis. The administrative burden takes me a couple of hours once a year and isn't actually that bad at all - certainly worth my time.

But if you can't be bothered, that's up to you.

Impressive CV, congratulations you've got the job as our land agent . What shall we say, 10% commission on anything you secure for us beyond costs ? 50% ? . PM us to progress .

I'll bet you get very cheap or free grazing though

Absolutely. Anyone asks for rent they get threatened with an invoice for keeping their grass down.
But the thread isn't about rents, it's about reform/reallocation of taxpayer support for agriculture.

 

[Greythundercloudys]

I really don't know how farms will manage, suppose we get another 5 years with a far bit, in 2013 /14 when the Scottish government computer didn't work, it was around 14 months between payments,. December 2012 to Feb 2014, not 100% sure of dates but the amount of salesman complaining about late payment and or just no money being spent on anything was a view of what it's going to be like. No fertiliser at 260 ton or cake at 240, if the moneys aren't there from what you sell then you'll not be able to keep the thing going, with out that December top up that everyone needs. Getn a fiver a hectare for doing something for the environment is not going to help, you'll be better buying another 100 ewes there will be plenty for sale with everyone giving up the first year after it stops, hopefully lm wrong.

 

[Highland Mule]

Impressive CV, congratulations you've got the job as our land agent . What shall we say, 10% commission on anything you secure for us beyond costs ? 50% ? . PM us to progress .

How many hectares are we talking about? How many owned and how many otherwise used?

 

[delilah]

How many hectares are we talking about? How many owned and how many otherwise used?

30Ha, none of it owned. How'd you mean otherwise used ? Other than cattle/sheep ? Some shared with nags.

 

[Highland Mule]

30Ha, none of it owned. How'd you mean otherwise used ? Other than cattle/sheep ? Some shared with nags.

Otherwise used I meant as not owned.

About £2-3k/yr you’re missing out on, I’d guess, based on the figures quoted here. Only you can decide if it’s worth the effort, but I think I’d try if I was in your shoes.

And no, I’ve no desire to become an agent.

 

[delilah]

Otherwise used I meant as not owned.

About £2-3k/yr you’re missing out on, I’d guess, based on the figures quoted here. Only you can decide if it’s worth the effort, but I think I’d try if I was in your shoes.

And no, I’ve no desire to become an agent.

It's the sheer number of parcels of land and multiple owners of unregistered land that's the barrier. Anyone reporting to Government on the need for reform, happy to be a case study.