share tip-lower board edge question

[MrNoo]

Last season I found going straight a real issue, am not normally too bad to be fair, however when I got the plough in the shed this weekend I noticed that the wing tips on the shares were actually slightly higher than the lower board edge and as such I suspect that the board was steering the plough more than I was, not helped by taking an inch of the wing tips.
So I would expect the wing tip to be the same hight or slightly below the lower board edge, what is the norm? 1/2" below or more/less. I also found despite the check chains being slack both sides and the plough following true, it wanted to steer the tractor towards the ploughed ground, which in itself would indicate something being not quite right.

 

[Howard150]

Sounds a bit like a pitch issue - either that or spurious bits. Effect will be much more marked this season in the dry conditions. Not only does it affect straightness - penetration will suffer as well.
Makes really hard work of the job if the board doing too much. Takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it.

 

[arcobob]

Laying the plough to the right can sometimes improve the look of the work but can wreak havoc with straightness. Well worn boards or cutting off the bottom edge (illegal unless you happen to be in the fold) permit a bit of laying over.

 

[Howard150]

Laying the plough to the right can sometimes improve the look of the work but can wreak havoc with straightness. Well worn boards or cutting off the bottom edge (illegal unless you happen to be in the fold) permit a bit of laying over.

Don’t know whether or not it’s illegal Bob as number 25’s will not go without a bit of a trim.
As far as the Vintage classes and Ransomes boards go, then it is nothing short of sacrilege. Oft said before but if Ransomes boards had needed something cut off the underside then Ransomes would have done it. If you try to replicate wear then all you are shortening is the lifespan of the board.
With TCN’s the effect is more noticeable when opening up - ragged openings and ground not cut through, middle work suffers through not being packed well enough.

 

[Mydexta]

Don’t know whether or not it’s illegal Bob as number 25’s will not go without a bit of a trim.
As far as the Vintage classes and Ransomes boards go, then it is nothing short of sacrilege. Oft said before but if Ransomes boards had needed something cut off the underside then Ransomes would have done it. If you try to replicate wear then all you are shortening is the lifespan of the board.
With TCN’s the effect is more noticeable when opening up - ragged openings and ground not cut through, middle work suffers through not being packed well enough.

I know people who have adjusted the pitch on the bodies, then cut material from the bottom of the board so it isn’t running on the board.

They have all noticed a large difference in firmness by doing this

 

[Howard150]

I know people who have adjusted the pitch on the bodies, then cut material from the bottom of the board so it isn’t running on the board.

They have all noticed a large difference in firmness by doing this

As in all things then moderation is the key. The board wears - more markedly in coarse sand......however. a guy hereabouts who shall remain nameless but nonetheless is renowned locally for selling very good oil, cut 25 mm off the bottom of some TCN’s. Always banging on about how good it was. When he came to sell it, the lads dad who bought it asked me my thoughts despite being overwhelmingly convinced of the ploughs pedigree. My first question was ‘why is he selling it if it’s that good’ The second point I put was that his son would struggle with set pieces. The third was that if he managed to reach a standard good enough to plough Nationally, he would struggle with depth stewards and their wicked depth gauges as the shape of the furrow bottom would be incorrect, which also meant that point four, what should be in the furrow contributing to firmness was left in the furrow bottom.
He duly bough the plough and a month or two later came to me at a match. ‘Can you have a look at our younguns plough. When you open up its all shallow, clean and polished in the bottom. His is deep and all ragged with stubble still standing in the middle after the first time down. Can you help him with the finish as well - that’s all dropped to bits, not straight and ragged. No problem sez I. Anytime......but get him some new boards first!

 

[Mydexta]

As in all things then moderation is the key. The board wears - more markedly in coarse sand......however. a guy hereabouts who shall remain nameless but nonetheless is renowned locally for selling very good oil, cut 25 mm off the bottom of some TCN’s. Always banging on about how good it was. When he came to sell it, the lads dad who bought it asked me my thoughts despite being overwhelmingly convinced of the ploughs pedigree. My first question was ‘why is he selling it if it’s that good’ The second point I put was that his son would struggle with set pieces. The third was that if he managed to reach a standard good enough to plough Nationally, he would struggle with depth stewards and their wicked depth gauges as the shape of the furrow bottom would be incorrect, which also meant that point four, what should be in the furrow contributing to firmness was left in the furrow bottom.
He duly bough the plough and a month or two later came to me at a match. ‘Can you have a look at our younguns plough. When you open up its all shallow, clean and polished in the bottom. His is deep and all ragged with stubble still standing in the middle after the first time down. Can you help him with the finish as well - that’s all dropped to bits, not straight and ragged. No problem sez I. Anytime......but get him some new boards first!

Mmmmmm


Food for thought, thank you

 

[rick_vandal]

Whatever board you have, it is always pushing against the landslide so look there for a solution. I have extended my front landslide backwards and my rear upwards. I also had shims behind on a Huard.

 

[MrNoo]

Whatever board you have, it is always pushing against the landslide so look there for a solution. I have extended my front landslide backwards and my rear upwards. I also had shims behind on a Huard.

Yes, I have put some new shares on and it looks much better, I have done away with the rolling landslide and will weld an extension on the rear hopefully tomorrow and then first match on Sunday, so will see how we go

 

[rick_vandal]

What does the jury think about rolling landslides?

 

[MrNoo]

What does the jury think about rolling landslides?

Junk

 

[arcobob]

What does the jury think about rolling landslides?

Ransomes used them on the TS86 originally but I have never seen one in use today on this model.

 

[Howard150]

Good few still about Bob. Carl wright still uses one. I tried one on my 86 but not for long. Can remember my grandfather telling me about taking one off a fergy plough when I was still in short trousers and that’s the thick end of 60 years ago.
If you are going to make a rigid one then make sure it’s at least 150mm deep.

 

[wuddy]

Ransomes used them on the TS86 originally but I have never seen one in use today on this model.

Most of the ones up here still have there rolling landslides

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

I removed mine from my fergy when I use to plough with it years ago, it use to disturb the furrow wall on the start/finish to much, I just replaced it with a longer landslide. I've since refitted it and put it back to original so I can use it in the fergie class at some point...

I certainly understand the reasons Ferguson used it, but I didn't think it suited match ploughing.

 

[MrNoo]

Ferguson actually did a 2 furrow GP plough without a rolling landslide, it was an export plough with a longer fixed landslide, so nowt illegal about a fixed landslide

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

Yes, I think I do recall that....I'm sure the Ferguson Match Police would still have an issue with it!