Siltra or Fandango for Barley T2?

[e3120]

Got a small acreage of WB and thinking ahead to T2; had its T1 of 0.6 Siltra plus CTL last week. Because of small area and can sizes, I can do another 0.6 Siltra for about same price as 1l of Fandango. Would I be better off with the Bixafen and extra prothio (120g v 100g if I've got it right) of the Siltra or does the Strob in Fandango add something better? Assume add CTL to both. Unlikely to be any T3.

Crop is 2nd cereal after grass on heavy, mucked land so confident of decent potential. Or if it stays dry should T2 be basic?

 

[Brisel]

T2 is less important than T1 and the same spend (you're talking about more) will show a lower response. What disease are you seeing, what variety is it & what date was the T1 done?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Either is a decent option. Bayer website has some trial info on both

 

[e3120]

T2 is less important than T1 and the same spend (you're talking about more) will show a lower response. What disease are you seeing, what variety is it & what date was the T1 done?

Cheers. I was planning less for T2, and on paper Fandango would be a step back from SDHI again. Just the part cans (I know I can carry over but no guarantee of WB in another season) make it just as dear, near as dammit, as another round of Siltra. Hence the 'which is best' question. It's Glacier, pretty much clean (will get a pic tomorrow). T1 last Friday; T0 of fenpropimorph/epoxi 3.5 weeks earlier.

Agron would probably prescribe Helix/Zulu for more money - you'll guess the colour of his t-shirt by that, but, thanks to the good people of TFF, I'm shaking off those shackles.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Cheers. I was planning less for T2, and on paper Fandango would be a step back from SDHI again. Just the part cans (I know I can carry over but no guarantee of WB in another season) make it just as dear, near as dammit, as another round of Siltra. Hence the 'which is best' question. It's Glacier, pretty much clean (will get a pic tomorrow). T1 last Friday; T0 of fenpropimorph/epoxi 3.5 weeks earlier.

Agron would probably prescribe Helix/Zulu for more money - you'll guess the colour of his t-shirt by that, but, thanks to the good people of TFF, I'm shaking off those shackles.

You could use your leftover Siltra on your wheat. Or for that matter I knew of someone who used his leftover Aviator on his Barley. Or you could just use up your Siltra and add something else too

 

[Flat 10]

Jaunt?

 

[Jon 3085]

Jaunt?

I always use that, but it's £££

 

[Brisel]

You could use your leftover Siltra on your wheat. Or for that matter I knew of someone who used his leftover Aviator on his Barley. Or you could just use up your Siltra and add something else too

That would be illegal on both counts as barley is not on the Aviator label nor is wheat on the Siltra label. Siltra is more expensive than Aviator because there is less competition in the barley fungicide market so there's a further reason not to use Siltra on wheat!

 

[SilliamWhale]

That would be illegal on both counts as barley is not on the Aviator label nor is wheat on the Siltra label. Siltra is more expensive than Aviator because there is less competition in the barley fungicide market so there's a further reason not to use Siltra on wheat!

Of course it would and I wouldn't do it but i'm just pointing out to the guy if he has a bit of wheat maybe he can time his second spray of barley in with the wheat and no need to tank rinse and a bit of carryover wouldn't be too negative for him

 

[e3120]

Of course it would and I wouldn't do it but i'm just pointing out to the guy if he has a bit of wheat maybe he can time his second spray of barley in with the wheat and no need to tank rinse and a bit of carryover wouldn't be too negative for him

Have to stay legal and keep the cross compliance/assurance men happy. Though mixed farming has the joys of cattle movements for them to find issue with!

The barley is primarily in the ground to satisfy 3 crop rule, growing lots of grass is deemed monoculture, but don't mind a bit of feed barley/straw/early entry for grass. Not so attractive if inputs are at WW levels. Can sizes are enough to do this on 3rd-crop area.

I'm a bit embarrassed to admit my serviced fungicide costs for WB 2 years ago were £107 (admittedly it did do 12t in a good year); expect this year to be about £75 after lots of over-winter reading here.

 

[Flat 10]

Have to stay legal and keep the cross compliance/assurance men happy. Though mixed farming has the joys of cattle movements for them to find issue with!

The barley is primarily in the ground to satisfy 3 crop rule, growing lots of grass is deemed monoculture, but don't mind a bit of feed barley/straw/early entry for grass. Not so attractive if inputs are at WW levels. Can sizes are enough to do this on 3rd-crop area.

I'm a bit embarrassed to admit my serviced fungicide costs for WB 2 years ago were £107 (admittedly it did do 12t in a good year); expect this year to be about £75 after lots of over-winter reading here.

12t/ha isn't embarrassing! I'd be chuffed with 10t/ha

 

[e3120]

12t/ha isn't embarrassing! I'd be chuffed with 10t/ha

I agree, but don't think it was due to the fung spend, sunshine is outside management control....

 

[binbusy]

Basically it pays to do fandango, it's cheaper than anything else suggested.

 

[franklin]

All will be fine. Prothioconazole is the daddy, so slop plenty on.

 

[Rob E]

I anticipate strobs to be even more useful this year, being so dry. This new net blotch and SDHI resistance thing is concerning

 

[franklin]

Winter barley is the one cereal which doesnt look bobbins, so I will be slopping it on.

For T1 used Jaunt on one block, and a cypronodil / isopyrazam mix on the other. Having two agronomists doing their own thing on adjacent blocks is really very interesting, especially when they know that they are being judged on margin over inputs.

 

[Brisel]

Jaunt? You've got an Agrii agronomist in?

 

[franklin]

Nope. Chap said it was good stuff. I said that so long as we had an interesting discussion about the cost of it vs some straights he could put whatever he liked on this year. I have taken a hands-off approach to both of them on the barley as they are in proper competition. Will expect the discussion to involve a rebate at the end of the season.

 

[Flat 10]

Nope. Chap said it was good stuff. I said that so long as we had an interesting discussion about the cost of it vs some straights he could put whatever he liked on this year. I have taken a hands-off approach to both of them on the barley as they are in proper competition. Will expect the discussion to involve a rebate at the end of the season.

It is good stuff. Main element of T1 and T2 here for ages!

 

[e3120]

Siltra/CTL T2 applied this evening. Plan to leave the gate shut now. Mid-sept sown Glacier with good dollop of muck and 150 kg N.