So is this going to persuade you to plant land with trees?

[teslacoils]

Sorry, wrong thread. Doh.

Says you joined four or more years ago, so to make a first post in the wrong place is good going

 

[Abi Kay]

Says you joined four or more years ago, so to make a first post in the wrong place is good going

I know right. Might teach me a lesson on closing tabs.

 

[egbert]

I know right. Might teach me a lesson on closing tabs.

1st
If he's telling peeps to reduce their meat consumption because methane emissions, ask himself where exactly the molecules in cow burp methane come from?
Where were they 3 or 4 weeks ago?
This methane is a natural short closed loop. Why is it a problem?

2nd
If eating less meat ties with evident gov agenda to rewild hills, which are overwhelmingly farmed by indigenous tribes who pre-date the Romans, does that make him complicit with what is going to amount to the destruction of an entire culture, resulting in ethnic cleansing?
Laughing at the suggestion?
Where I'm sitting, rewilding the hills represents a hate crime.
Ironically, if I was far away, wore a grass skirt and had a bone through my nose, the urban luvvies would be clamouring to protect my culture.

Good luck.

 

[Hindsight]

1st
If he's telling peeps to reduce their meat consumption because methane emissions, ask himself where exactly the molecules in cow burp methane come from?
Where were they 3 or 4 weeks ago?
This methane is a natural short closed loop. Why is it a problem?

2nd
If eating less meat ties with evident gov agenda to rewild hills, which are overwhelmingly farmed by indigenous tribes who pre-date the Romans, does that make him complicit with what is going to amount to the destruction of an entire culture, resulting in ethnic cleansing?
Laughing at the suggestion?
Where I'm sitting, rewilding the hills represents a hate crime.
Ironically, if I was far away, wore a grass skirt and had a bone through my nose, the urban luvvies would be clamouring to protect my culture.

Good luck.

To me living at sea level in Lincolnshire, rarely leaving the county you are far away. And as a UK hill tribe had always presumed you have a bone through your nose - but wasn't certain about the skirt - though that was the preserve of those Northern hill tribes in Caledonia? All good fun, Best wishes, J

 

[egbert]

To me living at sea level in Lincolnshire, rarely leaving the county you are far away. And as a UK hill tribe had always presumed you have a bone through your nose - but wasn't certain about the skirt - though that was the preserve of those Northern hill tribes in Caledonia? All good fun, Best wishes, J

one of my dyed in the wool pals, when deep in his cups, tries to rally us to drive the saxons back into the North Sea, and reclaim all the arable ground.

 

[Chickcatcher]

@teslacoils If our @Abi Kay was interviewing yesterday dearest "Henry" may the person (I beg to stay gender neutral) be a BBC "Staffi terrier"? amidst us

 

[teslacoils]

@teslacoils If our @Abi Kay was interviewing yesterday dearest "Henry" may the person (I beg to stay gender neutral) be a BBC "Staffi terrier"? amidst us

Who knows what depths of depravity the beeb will stoop to in order to get a scoop. An alternative suggestion would be she is the Abi Kay who works at Farmers Guardian. An account that's been open five years, with only two recent, public posts would give me the idea it was mainly used for private messages - we are, obviously, mostly anonymous so a good way to communicate.

 

[egbert]

Who knows what depths of depravity the beeb will stoop to in order to get a scoop. An alternative suggestion would be she is the Abi Kay who works at Farmers Guardian. An account that's been open five years, with only two recent, public posts would give me the idea it was mainly used for private messages - we are, obviously, mostly anonymous so a good way to communicate.

I did a quick google at the time, and have to presume @Abi Kay is the FG journo.
(don't take it, so I wouldna known)

I'm not wholly enamoured that having done so, we get zero feedback .... i responded with serious questions, and note there's no reciprocal response.
Hey ho.

At least @Clive must be chuffed/amused......FG asking the forum for input!

 

[teslacoils]

I did a quick google at the time, and have to presume @Abi Kay is the FG journo.
(don't take it, so I wouldna known)

I'm not wholly enamoured that having done so, we get zero feedback .... i responded with serious questions, and note there's no reciprocal response.
Hey ho.

At least @Clive must be chuffed/amused......FG asking the forum for input!

The forum is awash with journalists, rpa, bspb, adha and the like.

 

[Hindsight]

The forum is awash with journalists, rpa, bspb, adha and the like.

Shades of Vienna about TFF.

 

[teslacoils]

Like my old student bar, which was a Mecca for "recruitment" in times gone by.

 

[egbert]

The forum is awash with journalists, rpa, bspb, adha and the like.

not all of em their right names though

 

[T Hectares]

I took part in a CLA ELMS T&T session recently around woodland creation with folk of varying scale who already had woodland (from 10 acres to 750 acres). The concensus was that the existing £3500/Ha or so came nowhere near the full cost of creation and that £250/Ha/Yr for 10 years was unsufficient for maintenance. That was before you factored in loss of value on putting productive land in (and being forever unable to convert it back thereafter). Not so bad if it was a commercial block for future harvest but way short if it was a mixed deciduous block purely for ecological benefit unless you could claim decent ONGOING carbon payments for it. Without that money it looks like the Government plan for 30,000 Ha/yr by 2023 is probably doomed to fail. Badly.

I took part in one of those, the same one maybe ??

I think these schemes are only a goer on marginal land ?? We shall stay well away as we’ve planted plenty over the last 10 years on our terms and have no desire to take profitable arable land out of production or drastically alter the landscape while having land nationalised by the back door !!

 

[cider_eater]

Trees in the short term sounds good But just wait remember USA/Australia and other parts of the world Where thousands of acres just gone up in smoke. I hear two good farms near the south west coast are marked. Make more sense plant them in certain areas such as 5/10 acre plots all over the Country It they are on 200/250 acres How on earth can it be controlled (fire? )
uk is very small {Good Country} Look at the GLOBE.

 

[steveR]

Which is my response everytime, is that when the capital payment comes a lot closer to the current land value/ha, then add the planting and maintenance payments on top.... then I might consider a small scheme on unproductive corners.... £30k/ha??

Funnily, I was at a wedding over the weekend and was chatting to an agronomist I know and we were chewing the fat.

He was of the view that all G3 land and below should be growing trees in the future and struggled to understand my viewpoint which I found quite strange... Very simplistic mindset I felt.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Funnily, I was at a wedding over the weekend and was chatting to an agronomist I know and we were chewing the fat.

He was of the view that all G3 land and below should be growing trees in the future and struggled to understand my viewpoint which I found quite strange... Very simplistic mindset I felt.

Did he have any idea how big a proportion of the UK that is? Worrying if not (as an agronomist).

 

[steveR]

Did he have any idea how big a proportion of the UK that is? Worrying if not (as an agronomist).

I will not disagree... If he genuinely believed it, then many others will go along with him....

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Did he have any idea how big a proportion of the UK that is? Worrying if not (as an agronomist).

what do we think 70% of all the land in the UK or is it higher?

 

[Abi Kay]

I did a quick google at the time, and have to presume @Abi Kay is the FG journo.
(don't take it, so I wouldna known)

I'm not wholly enamoured that having done so, we get zero feedback .... i responded with serious questions, and note there's no reciprocal response.
Hey ho.

At least @Clive must be chuffed/amused......FG asking the forum for input!

Sorry - I did actually ask him about the importance of protecting upland communities, prompted by your question! I wasn't entirely convinced by his answers, but being limited on time (we ran 20 mins over what was scheduled in his diary), I didn't have the chance to push him.

If you want to listen to the pod, it's here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Lethmai0lgWP0CC7Le5u4?si=3WTUj5UTRl6wNd83cjKPLA&dl_branch=1

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Sorry - I did actually ask him about the importance of protecting upland communities, prompted by your question! I wasn't entirely convinced by his answers, but being limited on time (we ran 20 mins over what was scheduled in his diary), I didn't have the chance to push him.

If you want to listen to the pod, it's here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Lethmai0lgWP0CC7Le5u4?si=3WTUj5UTRl6wNd83cjKPLA&dl_branch=1

Thanks for asking him. I wonder how many upland farmers will see it his way?