So who will feed Britain now?

soilbug

Member
They say George Eustace is a nice man but does he speak for Britain or just for his cabinet position? If you think that is a hard question, what about the next one? Does Boris give a damn for the British rural economy now he has a stonking majority in parliament?

If you remember, he came to power for wanting to throw off the EU shackles and trade with the rest of the world. That means first and foremost (because the old Commonwealth ties will take years to renew) getting into bed with Trump's agressive, gun-toting, devil take the hindmost America - a country where the haves and the have-nots live two seperate lives. That will mean letting USA agricultural produce into Britain tarrif-free, complete with hormone and antibiotic additives and much lower animal welfare regulations.

With most of our mp's remaining metropolitan supremacists, dear Neil Parish has no chance protecting UK farmers' interests and they should now quit the industry. They have no reserve funds, make very little profit, build bigger debt with banks and machinery hp firms whilst plastering their crops with whatever their agronomist needs to earn his salary from the meagre profit they might have otherwise made.

Why are farmers skint whilst getting their highs from rushing around in ever larger circles on 10 tonne goliaths (as Jeremy Clarkson has discovered)? Because they dont have Jeremy's off-farm income and land prices are exagerated beyond means as a way for the Dysons of this world to use as a tax shelter. Couple that to the screw the supermarkets apply to food processors and that is why they sell corn and milk and eggs and pork at below the cost of production. Check it out - look at costings in the John Nix handbook, or the HSBC annual handbook which would frighten Boris if he had the nouse to scan through it.

Food - a strategic resource ? Yes, in 1914 and 1939. If it had all come from north Italy or China, maybe now too. But the deal from the USA will give us that security, like the need for ventilators and PPE hasn't done even yet! Boris has lost his plot and has moved on to reforming world trade, free from Brussels constraints and welcomed by those who want to feed us.

The birds and butterfly subsidies we are to rely on will actually curtail farm output but keep the eco-terrorists off his back whilst farmers move into more rewarding ventures. Then all the wildlife organisations will have to get their own sickles out to stop the nettles and brambles closing down the countryside as we all swop our table napkins for little stars & striped handkies. Will no-one disagree?
 

bluebell

Member
small country high population, with greater numbers wanting the good life ? hence all these lifestyle TV programes, latest being move to the countryside for half the price ? can you imagine especialy at the moment many in the urban areas on lockdown buying into this ? they should come with a health warning ? Not to mention the many thousands of urban professionals with well paid jobs wanting to buy small farms, ?
 

PSQ

Member
Arable Farmer
On the day the furlough scheme officially finishes there will probably be a million (plus) workers who will ‘return to work’ to find a P45 waiting for them.
The unfortunate knock on for food producers will be the sacrifice of quality and provenance, in favour of affordability and abundance:
- “Bread and circuses”.
 

Bald Rick

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Unfortunately, it’s not my problem.
Anyway, haven’t we been told in recent weeks that it’s the supermarkets that are keeping the people of Britain fed.
If In the future I can’t make a profit/living from farming I won’t be able to do it.
My only problem is keeping myself and family safe and fed, I have the land to do that, I’ll let the supermarkets and the government worry about how they feed the rest of the population and what with.
 
They say George Eustace is a nice man but does he speak for Britain or just for his cabinet position? If you think that is a hard question, what about the next one? Does Boris give a damn for the British rural economy now he has a stonking majority in parliament?

If you remember, he came to power for wanting to throw off the EU shackles and trade with the rest of the world. That means first and foremost (because the old Commonwealth ties will take years to renew) getting into bed with Trump's agressive, gun-toting, devil take the hindmost America - a country where the haves and the have-nots live two seperate lives. That will mean letting USA agricultural produce into Britain tarrif-free, complete with hormone and antibiotic additives and much lower animal welfare regulations.

With most of our mp's remaining metropolitan supremacists, dear Neil Parish has no chance protecting UK farmers' interests and they should now quit the industry. They have no reserve funds, make very little profit, build bigger debt with banks and machinery hp firms whilst plastering their crops with whatever their agronomist needs to earn his salary from the meagre profit they might have otherwise made.

Why are farmers skint whilst getting their highs from rushing around in ever larger circles on 10 tonne goliaths (as Jeremy Clarkson has discovered)? Because they dont have Jeremy's off-farm income and land prices are exagerated beyond means as a way for the Dysons of this world to use as a tax shelter. Couple that to the screw the supermarkets apply to food processors and that is why they sell corn and milk and eggs and pork at below the cost of production. Check it out - look at costings in the John Nix handbook, or the HSBC annual handbook which would frighten Boris if he had the nouse to scan through it.

Food - a strategic resource ? Yes, in 1914 and 1939. If it had all come from north Italy or China, maybe now too. But the deal from the USA will give us that security, like the need for ventilators and PPE hasn't done even yet! Boris has lost his plot and has moved on to reforming world trade, free from Brussels constraints and welcomed by those who want to feed us.

The birds and butterfly subsidies we are to rely on will actually curtail farm output but keep the eco-terrorists off his back whilst farmers move into more rewarding ventures. Then all the wildlife organisations will have to get their own sickles out to stop the nettles and brambles closing down the countryside as we all swop our table napkins for little stars & striped handkies. Will no-one disagree?


Have you spent much time around U.S. agriculture, you come off as someone with in-depth knowledge.............do tell.
 

soilbug

Member
Not quite sure what you’re driving at @soilbug but I am fairly certain this thread will get moved in to the obscurity of the Brexit forum
OK Bald Rick - let us spell it out for Boris's sake:
Brexit is behind us - only tarriffs to be settled now to help us make new friends in high places and trade our technology and finance outputs. We can avoid EU trade restrictions if we start with USA. We will give them access to our food market in exchange for other items. So that stuffs British farmers. The Senate protects their farmers' market and will insist they have full access to ours too (see failure to ammend the UK Agriculture Bill).

Boris has to find a market for UK lamb which used to flow into France because he needs sheep to keep the uplands tidy for environmentalists. But he doesn't care who feeds us. 'Bugger business' is being replaced by 'sod the farmers - they will survive on butterfly subsidies,' and that keeps food cheap to help retain his new northern followers. Well I'm not getting covered in Sh 1t twice a day for nowt and any thinking farmer will get rid of livestock and put his cash to work off-farm. It really is that simple.
 
You sound as though you've been tumbled, as we say over here. Come on - let's trade on negotiated terms, not trump bully terms! Let us look to the long term and face down China together.

UK is in a tough position, you don't like our President, continually insulting him yet you want to deal with him.............Britain under Johnson wants' a trade deal, America does not need a trade deal. You are not bargaining from any position of strength.
You say our Ag products do not meet your standards and need to be changed before you will take them, good luck with that.
 

tinsheet

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Somerset
UK is in a tough position, you don't like our President, continually insulting him yet you want to deal with him.............Britain under Johnson wants' a trade deal, America does not need a trade deal. You are not bargaining from any position of strength.
You say our Ag products do not meet your standards and need to be changed before you will take them, good luck with that.
Your not wrong!
 

spin cycle

Member
Location
north norfolk
Unfortunately, it’s not my problem.
Anyway, haven’t we been told in recent weeks that it’s the supermarkets that are keeping the people of Britain fed.
If In the future I can’t make a profit/living from farming I won’t be able to do it.
My only problem is keeping myself and family safe and fed, I have the land to do that, I’ll let the supermarkets and the government worry about how they feed the rest of the population and what with.

quite right (y) ..once the subsidies have gone i couldn't give a feck....in fact i'm heading for 'birds and bees' and my food output will drop up to 66%
 

Raider112

Member
UK is in a tough position, you don't like our President, continually insulting him yet you want to deal with him.............Britain under Johnson wants' a trade deal, America does not need a trade deal. You are not bargaining from any position of strength.
You say our Ag products do not meet your standards and need to be changed before you will take them, good luck with that.
Do people in the USA like your President? I think over here it's more disbelief that you elected him rather than dislike.
 

Raider112

Member
There is a difference between"liking" and "doing"
We could care less about "liking" everything, you have to go on results and after 8 yrs of a do nothing administration this President has done a lot.
We realize he does not fit your mold of a genteel politician..........given the opportunity he will call a spade...........a spade. Just got to get over it..!
I know he's done a lot for your economy but that bleach episode was frightening for a man with his power. I honestly feel that if it ever comes out that China caused this crisis deliberately we'll have a Nuclear war on our hands.
 
UK is in a tough position, you don't like our President, continually insulting him yet you want to deal with him.............Britain under Johnson wants' a trade deal, America does not need a trade deal. You are not bargaining from any position of strength.
You say our Ag products do not meet your standards and need to be changed before you will take them, good luck with that.

We already trade with America. Your President being a knob has no bearing on this.
 
Unfortunately, it’s not my problem.
Anyway, haven’t we been told in recent weeks that it’s the supermarkets that are keeping the people of Britain fed.
If In the future I can’t make a profit/living from farming I won’t be able to do it.
My only problem is keeping myself and family safe and fed, I have the land to do that, I’ll let the supermarkets and the government worry about how they feed the rest of the population and what with.

All this feed the world BS in the farming media and on here is nonsense- people can bleat it all they want but does it put money in their pockets?

Remember the 20 tonnes by 2020 or whatever that pish was? Yeah, great, smash yourselves to pieces working your wallet backs to cram the coffers of BASF and Angrii and the like. Great.
 
We already trade with America. Your President being a knob has no bearing on this.
You think..........think again.
If you want more trade, first you have to meet our standards for that trade, you are no position to call the shots and you are deluded if you think otherwise...............days of glory and stomping round the world are long gone.
Get used to it.
 

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