Soil sampling kit

Rhiza-UK

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Location
Wiltshire
What is you opinion on the Loss On Ignition test? I have heard experts talk about oxidisation of CaCO3 as well as the cooling drying period before the main heat not being enough to dry the chalk out sufficiently.

There is sampling quality to consider too - roots, worms and fresh debris could skew the results if not done properly.

We ran comparative tests on a large number of samples looking at LOI, Walkley Black and Dumas and found that LOI consistently overestimated SOM and that results were more variable. Results are below - we tested for Total Organic Carbon using the Dumas method and converted this to SOM using a factor of 1.724 (assumes carbon comprises 58% of OM hence the straight line). As the 58% is an assumption not a certainty, that is why there is some variability in the Walkley Black method, although it matches up with the Dumas results more closely and parallel. LOI as you can see overestimates, is more variable and the R2 line is not parallel with the other methods. This may be due to carbonates being burnt off or oxidised as you say, and also structural water losses from clays. The Dumas method is a more expensive test, however it's recognised as being more accurate and used a lot more widely in scientific research. NRM now offer it as an analysis method and I'd say the extra cost of good data and information is worth paying.

Another point to consider when comparing OM results is stone content. On gravelly or brashy soils, the same quantity of organic matter inputs would increase the SOM more than it would on a stoneless soil, much in the same way as liming and pH. A farmer I spoke to recently was going to adjust his figures based on stone content % to give a SOM by volume of soil.


SOM test comparison.PNG
 
Just out of interest, what method did you use for testing organic matter Pete? We've seen a lot of variable results from Loss on Ignition and that it overestimates when compared with the Walkley Black method traditionally used. As Walkley Black is going to be no longer (due to potassium dichromate ban) we're now using with the Dumas method to get an accurate measurement of Total Organic Carbon and use that to calculate the Soil Organic Matter.


Sorry, no idea, the tests were sorted by Steve Townsend.
 

ZXR17

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Location
South Dorset
Touch wood, no salt burn due to most of the high winds being either north west or north east this winter.
Plenty of time yet though. The sea is certainly banging in today.
The whole farm often looks like it has been roundupped from salt burn at this time of the year.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
How much salt &vinegar?
Salt&vinegar on your gorse sir??
Heaps!! I use an old copper to heat up the water, and keep stirring salt in til it won't take any more, Captain..
And then put in a cup of sugar and a litre of vinegar
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and put it through my super expensive spray rig. You do have to hose it on- just like with any gorse spray. Good hot day I think it works better. But I don't come home stinking of chemical, more like I've had chippy tea.. I have no idea if you even have a wild gorse population over there.. I may be on the naughty seat?
 

scholland

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Location
ze3
Hhhmmm...... what problems can that cause?
And how do stock get on when grazing salt marshes?
First time we've had soil sampling done like this so I'm still getting my head around it but my understanding is that it has implications on K and i need to get my K levels above the sodium. Doesn't seem to bother stock much as far as I'm aware but is tough on grass. Will do more sampling in the summer when the salty season is further in the past!
 

scholland

Member
Location
ze3
Can you come back to this thread when you know more?

It's interesting me greatly. I've just put salt on my grass fields because I'm sure when I put some on two years ago we got a good response.
Will do, I'm sure there will be folk in here who understand it better than me! This is albrecht soil sample and the recommendation is to get the K % Base cation saturation ratio higher than the sodium bcsr. I dont fully understand the implications, yet.
 

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