Spring barley or later w wheat

[tw15]

It is looking more of a repeat of last year with a lot of spring barley looking like it will be going in if the boys on heavy ground cant get on and put in wheat . With the country awash with malting barley the premiums are not going to be there and the export buyers are cutting back purchasing large amounts due uncertainty of sales . I just think it might be better to go for a later drilled s wheat like skyfall . The big problem here is the woolly locusts ain't here yet to clear the stubble turnips but with 1500+ coming in the next week or two they should clear most of them by the end of Jan . Thinking as not as much milling wheat going in at the moment it is going to be wanted more than s barley for brewing export trade . Being mainly on chalk we can usually get on land if conditions allow in dec or jan to do a bit of spread and scratch in off the heep style establishment .
What do others think ?

 

[thorpe]

It is looking more of a repeat of last year with a lot of spring barley looking like it will be going in if the boys on heavy ground cant get on and put in wheat . With the country awash with malting barley the premiums are not going to be there and the export buyers are cutting back purchasing large amounts due uncertainty of sales . I just think it might be better to go for a later drilled s wheat like skyfall . The big problem here is the woolly locusts ain't here yet to clear the stubble turnips but with 1500+ coming in the next week or two they should clear most of them by the end of Jan . Thinking as not as much milling wheat going in at the moment it is going to be wanted more than s barley for brewing export trade . Being mainly on chalk we can usually get on land if conditions allow in dec or jan to do a bit of spread and scratch in off the heep style establishment .
What do others think ?

wheat sounds a good call

 

[Boysground]

I have planted plenty of wheat in January and definitely skyfall in Feb.

Think i might be doing the same again.

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[4course]

Im sat today in the fortunate position of all sown up into reasonable seedbeds as I was at this time last year until the winter rains and constant wet eventually forced us to resow a couple and sp barley was an absolute disaster even the one that was deliberately sp barley yielded less than a pals late sown 7/8 th march ww yielded and whats more I had made the same mistake a couple of times in the past 40 years (though not as many acres)so its written in stone here now never again ,in fact id rather leave it fallow .Why why why did I do it ?

 

[yellow belly]

No black grass wheat
Black grass spring barley

Late drilled wheat dose have a higher chance of ergot
Access to a colour sorter

 

[DrWazzock]

Our best ever yield of winter wheat on light land was drilled in January 2019. It did 4t per acre on a fieid that’s usually crap blowaway sand. I can only think that the Take All and other disease does not carry over or get going with such late drilling. It was a dry winter though with a favourable spring and early summer with adequate moisture but it shows what’s potentially possible. It did have an issue with mildew early on and I thought I’d ruined it with Broadway Star but the end result was a real trailer filler.

 

[RAF]

Wheat

 

[Colliedog]

If you can it’s probably a good idea, but just to play devil’s advocate this year almost every thing has made malting quality, if we have a different spring it might be just the lighter land making the grade for malting!

 

[Devil's advocate]

Why not just plough in the stubble turnips & drill now?

 

[yellow belly]

If you can it’s probably a good idea, but just to play devil’s advocate this year almost every thing has made malting quality, if we have a different spring it might be just the lighter land making the grade for malting!

What happened this year May not happen next year

Spring 2023 crops were much different to spring 2024
Spring 2025 crops who know what will happen no one

You should farm your farm

If you listen to all the advice some one will be right trouble is which advice is best will only be known in October 2025

 

[richard hammond]

It is looking more of a repeat of last year with a lot of spring barley looking like it will be going in if the boys on heavy ground cant get on and put in wheat . With the country awash with malting barley the premiums are not going to be there and the export buyers are cutting back purchasing large amounts due uncertainty of sales . I just think it might be better to go for a later drilled s wheat like skyfall . The big problem here is the woolly locusts ain't here yet to clear the stubble turnips but with 1500+ coming in the next week or two they should clear most of them by the end of Jan . Thinking as not as much milling wheat going in at the moment it is going to be wanted more than s barley for brewing export trade . Being mainly on chalk we can usually get on land if conditions allow in dec or jan to do a bit of spread and scratch in off the heep style establishment .
What do others think ?

Late Wheat every time, had some good acceptable yields out of Feb drilled wheat.

 

[Brisel]

The answer depends on your land & markets. Good malting barley land like yours tips the balance in favour of spring barley but otherwise, considering the state of the markets, I'd try and persevere with wheat.

 

[snarling bee]

Definitely Wheat until Christmas

 

[tw15]

Why not just plough in the stubble turnips & drill now?

Got to let sheep do their thing first or the grazier will get the hump .

The answer depends on your land & markets. Good malting barley land like yours tips the balance in favour of spring barley but otherwise, considering the state of the markets, I'd try and persevere with wheat.

What im thinking the market for barley might well be looking like over supplied again as we have chicken muck that will help keep costs down on fert for ww as well thinking of next years storage we will end up at the minute with a bit of wheat space in a bay and more barley than we will be able to fit in main store so it will help that problem out .

 

[David.]

Another drying fortnight might swing the odds back in favour of not overly late wheat, in the soft south. It's only a few years since cuckoo barley was a crop of last resort.

 

[Brisel]

2 fields I had originally planned for winter barley might get sown with winter barley this week! They flooded with groundwater when we had the 5" rain in late September but are a lightish soil and the tide has gone out again. The wet bits will be fallowed but late winter barley works for @Adeptandy and nothing else is dry enough for wheat yet, so 500 seeds/m2 farm saved seed are going in. It's not Bonfire Night yet...

 

[thorpe]

2 fields I had originally planned for winter barley might get sown with winter barley this week! They flooded with groundwater when we had the 5" rain in late September but are a lightish soil and the tide has gone out again. The wet bits will be fallowed but late winter barley works for @Adeptandy and nothing else is dry enough for wheat yet, so 500 seeds/m2 farm saved seed are going in. It's not Bonfire Night yet...

we have quite an acrage that is destined for spring barley due to ongoing ryegass problems, we have had a hell of a chit . Nick sprayed it off yesterday and say,s it would drill lovly. it's had short disc,s and lds, what are your thought,s?

 

[Adeptandy]

I’ve just filled up to DD W Barley tomorrow

 

[teslacoils]

we have quite an acrage that is destined for spring barley due to ongoing ryegass problems, we have had a hell of a chit . Nick sprayed it off yesterday and say,s it would drill lovly. it's had short disc,s and lds, what are your thought,s?

How confident you are of keeping the ryegrass down, as a later drilled wheat isn't exactly competitive.

 

[glasshouse]

Our best ever yield of winter wheat on light land was drilled in January 2019. It did 4t per acre on a fieid that’s usually crap blowaway sand. I can only think that the Take All and other disease does not carry over or get going with such late drilling. It was a dry winter though with a favourable spring and early summer with adequate moisture but it shows what’s potentially possible. It did have an issue with mildew early on and I thought I’d ruined it with Broadway Star but the end result was a real trailer filler.

Following what?