Squatter Prime Minister.....

[czechmate]

I thought he was building up to a possible truce between the Brexit Party and the Conservatives.

But no. It seems he is intent on fighting every seat in a possible GE. Surely he realises that the Leave Vote will be split, that the Remain Parties will have a field day and that a Labour Government will keep us in the EU.

Or dies he have a secret plan that I can't fathom ?

Farage kill brexit ?

Oh what joy

 

[czechmate]

I think he is. He may also have a pretty decent plan worked out, he really is a very clever chap, regardless of what his disparagers may hope is the case. But I rather think he's just pushing it to the wire to ensure that we will see an almost universal standing of pro-Brexit Tory candidates in the next GE, and we probably will.

From what I know of Nigel Farage, he genuinely would like to walk away from frontline politics, write a book or two, do the lecture tour for a bit of cash and have a decent snipe from the side-lines when he felt like it - like Major and Blair do.

You mean he's a lazy git. It's nice to agree

 

[Danllan]

No, I mean what I wrote, he would like to be a lazy git.

 

[czechmate]

No, I mean what I wrote, he would like to be a lazy git.

A lazy git in waiting

 

[caveman]

I thought he was building up to a possible truce between the Brexit Party and the Conservatives.

But no. It seems he is intent on fighting every seat in a possible GE. Surely he realises that the Leave Vote will be split, that the Remain Parties will have a field day and that a Labour Government will keep us in the EU.

Or dies he have a secret plan that I can't fathom ?

I think the idea is to reinforce the message, that if Boris doesn't deliver, the Tory Light party (who hold the key as to whether or not Boris does deliver) is finished.

 

[Danllan]

A lazy git in waiting

Aren't we all?

 

[Widgetone]

I think he is. He may also have a pretty decent plan worked out, he really is a very clever chap, regardless of what his disparagers may hope is the case. But I rather think he's just pushing it to the wire to ensure that we will see an almost universal standing of pro-Brexit Tory candidates in the next GE, and we probably will.

From what I know of Nigel Farage, he genuinely would like to walk away from frontline politics, write a book or two, do the lecture tour for a bit of cash and have a decent snipe from the side-lines when he felt like it - like Major and Blair do.

Farige is on Banks's payroll isn't he? Then theres his EU salary, and no doubt one or other sources of income as well. Good for him, pity about some of his supporters who may lose their jobs in the long run...

 

[Danllan]

Farige is on Banks's payroll isn't he? Then theres his EU salary, and no doubt one or other sources of income as well. Good for him, pity about some of his supporters who may lose their jobs in the long run...

And great news to those Brits who you always ignore, you know them of course, they're the ones who have to support a wife and family and rent / mortgage etc. here in the UK for themselves, not with ten to a room and canteen cookery to reduce costs. You know the fellows, the ones who have been utterly undercut by the flood of cheap Eastern European labour.

 

[czechmate]

And great news to those Brits who you always ignore, you know them of course, they're the ones who have to support a wife and family and rent / mortgage etc. here in the UK for themselves, not with ten to a room and canteen cookery to reduce costs. You know the fellows, the ones who have been utterly undercut by the flood of cheap Eastern European labour.

Oooo. I would of had you and supercharge as supporters of the free market

 

[Danllan]

Oooo. I would of had you and supercharge as supporters of the free market

I do support a free market, but clearly the EU didn't because we couldn't go and buy land over there but they could come and undermine the workers here. It has to work both ways, or not at all.

 

[Muck Spreader]

And great news to those Brits who you always ignore, you know them of course, they're the ones who have to support a wife and family and rent / mortgage etc. here in the UK for themselves, not with ten to a room and canteen cookery to reduce costs. You know the fellows, the ones who have been utterly undercut by the flood of cheap Eastern European labour.

What a weird argument. You are putting all the blame at the feet of folk who are prepared to come to the UK and do the crappy jobs Brit's don't fancy doing. Rather than the tight wads who think paying a living wage will cut into their profit margins..

 

[czechmate]

I do support a free market, but clearly the EU didn't because we couldn't go and buy land over there but they could come and undermine the workers here. It has to work both ways, or not at all.

Labour market was free. I chose to work with Czechs for my last years in veg, not because they were a bit cheaper (a very little bit) but because
They turned up
They did a full week
They did what was asked (all reasonable tasks)
They didn’t fill my ears with non stop reasons why they didn’t need to do the job

It was a free market,any Brit could of come and done the same (some did)

 

[Danllan]

What a weird argument. You are putting all the blame at the feet of folk who are prepared to come to the UK and do the crappy jobs Brit's don't fancy doing. Rather than the tight wads who think paying a living wage will cut into their profit margins..

Well that's you, try to twist it to suit. Brits were doing the jobs but, oddly, found themselves unable to economically compete against those taking less wages and having only a minute fraction of the overheads.

Labour market was free. I chose to work with Czechs for my last years in veg, not because they were a bit cheaper (a very little bit) but because
They turned up
They did a full week
They did what was asked (all reasonable tasks)
They didn’t fill my ears with non stop reasons why they didn’t need to do the job

It was a free market,any Brit could of come and done the same (some did)

And so Czechmate, rather daringly, chooses to respond to a point by entirely ignoring it... original, at least.

For the benefit of terminally thick I ask again, as above, how could the Brits compete against those taking less wages and having only a minute fraction of the overheads?

I know two people near Bedford who were paying more than 'a very little bit' less to veg. workers, it worked out at >30% less (and I'm aware of others who were paying still less); but that didn't bother the veg. workers because they were still earning well over double what they could at home. And... because of their living style, their overheads were massively less than any Brit with a house and family to cater for - level playing field? You aren't even kidding yourself.

 

[czechmate]

Well that's you, try to twist it to suit. Brits were doing the jobs but, oddly, found themselves unable to economically compete against those taking less wages and having only a minute fraction of the overheads.


And so Czechmate, rather daringly, chooses to respond to a point by entirely ignoring it... original, at least.

For the benefit of terminally thick I ask again, as above, how could the Brits compete against those taking less wages and having only a minute fraction of the overheads?

I know two people near Bedford who were paying more than 'a very little bit' less to veg. workers, it worked out at >30% less (and I'm aware of others who were paying still less); but that didn't bother the veg. workers because they were still earning well over double what they could at home. And... because of their living style, their overheads were massively less than any Brit with a house and family to cater for - level playing field? You aren't even kidding yourself.

Most Brit veg pickers I employed lived at home with their parents. They lived cheaper than the Czechs I charged lodging to

 

[Danllan]

Most Brit veg pickers I employed lived at home with their parents. They lived cheaper than the Czechs I charged lodging to

I don't doubt you and can't argue for what I have no information to support, such as your case, but I - and many others - know that a hell of a lot live dirt cheap and take a lower wage.

Right, back in a bit, the rain has finally stopped & I need to check the heifers for anon.

 

[Highland Mule]

a hell of a lot live dirt cheap and take a lower wage.

I still struggle to understand why you think that Brits don't just do that as well. Why is it that some are prepared to cut their cloth according to their earning potential and others don't? It sure isn't the colour of their passport that makes the difference. You can't blame the referee because one team isn't prepared to get off the bench.

 

[Danllan]

I still struggle to understand why you think that Brits don't just do that as well. Why is it that some are prepared to cut their cloth according to their earning potential and others don't? It sure isn't the colour of their passport that makes the difference. You can't blame the referee because one team isn't prepared to get off the bench.

Then you must be phenomenally thick, obtuse or - I hope - deliberately misunderstanding.

Explain to me how a British man can compete with someone working for much less and who, even then still can pay for a family and the purchase of 2+ houses somewhere back in Eastern Europe, when he - the Brit - for the same wage couldn't pay for the rent / mortgage on just one place here in addition to feeding a family and paying all the other bills.

It isn't a case of laziness or any other failing, it simply cannot be done - he can't benefit from having twenty others in the house to share the bills, and his home is here where the prices are what they are, not Eastern Europe where a peasant's wage from the UK outstrips that of many local professionals.

You deride your fellow countrymen (assuming you are British ) yet appear devoid of any understanding of the simple facts in these cases. Are you honestly, truly telling us that you can't see this economic disadvantage the British worker has been put at?

 

[czechmate]

Then you must be phenomenally thick, obtuse or - I hope - deliberately misunderstanding.

Explain to me how a British man can compete with someone working for much less and who, even then still can pay for a family and the purchase of 2+ houses somewhere back in Eastern Europe, when he - the Brit - for the same wage couldn't pay for the rent / mortgage on just one place here in addition to feeding a family and paying all the other bills.

It isn't a case of laziness or any other failing, it simply cannot be done - he can't benefit from having twenty others in the house to share the bills, and his home is here where the prices are what they are, not Eastern Europe where a peasant's wage from the UK outstrips that of many local professionals.

You deride your fellow countrymen (assuming you are British ) yet appear devoid of any understanding of the simple facts in these cases. Are you honestly, truly telling us that you can't see this economic disadvantage the British worker has been put at?

My interest had nothing to do with money, pay rates, an employee living costs. Just the fact that disappointingly, after many years of successful employing British lads, over just a few years they became worthless at any pay rate. It became widespread (no idea why) Eastern European’s came and filled the gaps

 

[holywell farmer]

Off his trolley

What a loon,

 

[MiJ]

My interest had nothing to do with money, pay rates, an employee living costs. Just the fact that disappointingly, after many years of successful employing British lads, over just a few years they became worthless at any pay rate. It became widespread (no idea why) Eastern European’s came and filled the gaps

So what, in your opinion, caused British lads to become worthless?