Staffing levels

[unlacedgecko]

Tried the day off in the week idea and found that my employee was hardly ever here. It was like having 80 days holiday pay per year

if someone booked a weeks holiday on their weekend on would you make them use 7 days holiday?

My staff asked about holiday entitlements once. I said yeah, "52 days paid holiday a year. You get every other weekend off. What more do you want?"

Bloody lazy entitled millennials.

 

[Headless chicken]

My staff asked about holiday entitlements once. I said yeah, "52 days paid holiday a year. You get every other weekend off. What more do you want?"

Bloody lazy entitled millennials.

im not sure I’d go that far, good staff are worth looking after and time off is part of that. With that said when I used to work for someone else it used to drive me insane when the milker booked holiday and spent it sat on his arse at home just because he was entitled to it. I could never get my head round that Mentality

 

[Princess Pooper]

im not sure I’d go that far, good staff are worth looking after and time off is part of that. With that said when I used to work for someone else it used to drive me insane when the milker booked holiday and spent it sat on his arse at home just because he was entitled to it. I could never get my head round that Mentality

So sitting at home is not an approved use of 'holiday?'. Blimey, people trying to control what you do in your leisure time now.

 

[Headless chicken]

So sitting at home is not an approved use of 'holiday?'. Blimey, people trying to control what you do in your leisure time now.

prehaps it came across in the wrong way no issue with what people choose to do with their leisure time the smugness of the guy who knew we were struggling ( not his fault of course taking his time he’s entitled too) was the bigger issue.

 

[farmboy]

prehaps it came across in the wrong way no issue with what people choose to do with their leisure time the smugness of the guy who knew we were struggling ( not his fault of course taking his time he’s entitled too) was the bigger issue.

I get what you’re saying but if it’s part of his salary package then it’s effectively part of his pay. It’s like moaning if someone saves their wages cos they didn’t need it to live on!

 

[dinderleat]

prehaps it came across in the wrong way no issue with what people choose to do with their leisure time the smugness of the guy who knew we were struggling ( not his fault of course taking his time he’s entitled too) was the bigger issue.

That’s fine as long as you pay for any unused holiday days at year end, but most run a use or loose type system.

 

[dinderleat]

Tried the day off in the week idea and found that my employee was hardly ever here. It was like having 80 days holiday pay per year

if someone booked a weeks holiday on their weekend on would you make them use 7 days holiday?

No they would need to change their weekend working

 

[Headless chicken]

I get what you’re saying but if it’s part of his salary package then it’s effectively part of his pay. It’s like moaning if someone saves their wages cos they didn’t need it to live on!

agreed it is the fault of the system.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

I was sent this. It's a job advert that was posted on Facebook today and a it's a pretty good example of the current start of the labour market. It's not exactly inspiring.

 

[gone up the hill]

prehaps it came across in the wrong way no issue with what people choose to do with their leisure time the smugness of the guy who knew we were struggling ( not his fault of course taking his time he’s entitled too) was the bigger issue.

So either you or the farm owner/manager were not capable/ bothered to find relief cover for the milker's day off/ holidays and expected him /her to work those days as well as their normal hours??

And some in the dairy industry like you moan like hell they cannot find decent staff!! you are no better than the farmer on FB a couple of years ago who was moaning like hell he had put on a job advert but had no reply's, he demanded said worker would have to do 70 hours a week at £9.50 hour flat rate, would have to live in a mobile home between the silage clamp and slurry pit and on top of that expected said worker to check the calving cows last thing at night/ feed the calves mornings of their days off/ holidays for no pay in lieu of rent and any dead calves overnight on their days off they had to pay for!!

Said farmer had 450 odd cows, had put up pics of his own stunning 4 bed house/swimming pool and yards that were spick and span and the last pic was of said sh!t hole of a mobile home......

 

[Jdunn55]

So either you or the farm owner/manager were not capable/ bothered to find relief cover for the milker's day off/ holidays and expected him /her to work those days as well as their normal hours??

And some in the dairy industry like you moan like hell they cannot find decent staff!! you are no better than the farmer on FB a couple of years ago who was moaning like hell he had put on a job advert but had no reply's, he demanded said worker would have to do 70 hours a week at £9.50 hour flat rate, would have to live in a mobile home between the silage clamp and slurry pit and on top of that expected said worker to check the calving cows last thing at night/ feed the calves mornings of their days off/ holidays for no pay in lieu of rent and any dead calves overnight on their days off they had to pay for!!

Said farmer had 450 odd cows, had put up pics of his own stunning 4 bed house/swimming pool and yards that were spick and span and the last pic was of said sh!t hole of a mobile home......

I think that's a tad harsh, I think what headless was trying to say was that he doesnt see the point in taking time off to do nothing when theres loads of work (yes not his responsibility and yes hes entitled to his time off) to be done. I think thay it might be to do with the way us farmers have been programmed that time not working is wasteful!

 

[kiwi pom]

Tried the day off in the week idea and found that my employee was hardly ever here. It was like having 80 days holiday pay per year

if someone booked a weeks holiday on their weekend on would you make them use 7 days holiday?

If they work a roster then any rostered days on, would need annual leave.
If their roster had them off on, say Tuesday that week, then they wouldn't need to use annual leave for that day.
If the Saturday and Sunday was considered overtime, I don't think they'd have to take annual leave though.
All that would be sorted out in your employees contract though?

 

[Ducati899]

I think that's a tad harsh, I think what headless was trying to say was that he doesnt see the point in taking time off to do nothing when theres loads of work (yes not his responsibility and yes hes entitled to his time off) to be done. I think thay it might be to do with the way us farmers have been programmed that time not working is wasteful!

There’s always something to do but saying taking time off to do nothing is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen on here in a while,I had Saturday off from 9am after everything was milked and fed.
me and the other half just sat and chatted for most of the day and it was actually nice to sit down and do nothing for a good few hours.

 

[Headless chicken]

So either you or the farm owner/manager were not capable/ bothered to find relief cover for the milker's day off/ holidays and expected him /her to work those days as well as their normal hours??

And some in the dairy industry like you moan like hell they cannot find decent staff!! you are no better than the farmer on FB a couple of years ago who was moaning like hell he had put on a job advert but had no reply's, he demanded said worker would have to do 70 hours a week at £9.50 hour flat rate, would have to live in a mobile home between the silage clamp and slurry pit and on top of that expected said worker to check the calving cows last thing at night/ feed the calves mornings of their days off/ holidays for no pay in lieu of rent and any dead calves overnight on their days off they had to pay for!!

Said farmer had 450 odd cows, had put up pics of his own stunning 4 bed house/swimming pool and yards that were spick and span and the last pic was of said sh!t hole of a mobile home......

i was merely an underling at that point staff Rotas had nothing to do with me. Yes it was covered but from within the team thus putting more pressure on ( not the employees fault) as above weve established that it would be a sensible offer to pay them out for their holiday in situations where they wished too instead of just sitting around twiddling thumbs for the sake of it.

ive never moaned that I can’t find staff, certainly not lately. We have an excellent team of self employed people who come in. They set their rates and I pay them end of.

if that was truly the situation then there is no wonder they couldn’t find anyone. That is just insanity but I don’t doubt I could find people locally to me doing more for less. We are in the process of building a house to make sure when we’re ready for a full time employee they have suitable accommodation. With that said me and the wife lived in a caravan for 2 years and would gladly return if we had no children in tow.

it would seem extremely strange for them to show their house if this had nothing to do with the employment though unless their intention was to build one similar for the employee, but with that said why shouldn’t the farmer be able to live in a nIce house? Maybe he had a partner that paid for it all?

 

[kfpben]

I enjoyed the advert for a farm manager’s job in the FW recently.
It said ‘applicants must have 30+ years experience in arable farming’. I mean asking for 5 years experience would be ok, 10 at a push but 30!?
Made me wonder if the employer just wanted a geriatric pal to hang out with and talk about old tractors.

 

[vantage]

I enjoyed the advert for a farm manager’s job in the FW recently.
It said ‘applicants must have 30+ years experience in arable farming’. I mean asking for 5 years experience would be ok, 10 at a push but 30!?
Made me wonder if the employer just wanted a geriatric pal to hang out with and talk about old tractors.

@7610 super q perhaps!

 

[7610 super q]

@7610 super q perhaps!

I thought you'd never ask...
In December 1964, Ford Tractor Operations launched the 6X range at the Smithfield show. This consisted of 4 basic models fitted with diesel engines......

Come back !! I haven't finished !!!

 

[Bramble]

That’s fine as long as you pay for any unused holiday days at year end, but most run a use or loose type system.

I was told by ACAS that we should not be offering to pay unused holidays at the year end as it was not legal. Should be use it or lose on the holiday front or risk getting in trouble

 

[betweenthelines]

Is it still legal for people to "work" their holidays? I thought everyone had to use their 28 days, but that could include 8 BH days.

As for being a bit peeved because you are busy when someone else has a day off, is that because they do more than their share when they are at work?

 

[In the pit]

Surely staffing levels will depend on numerous factors block to Ayr calving and layout of farm
I used to run a farm 320 cows with myself and relief man one day a week and couple hours a day first 6weeks of calving block
Cows spring calving and out 12 Months grazing