Steel erectors

[Hilly]

Are they meant to have certificates or what ever ?

 

[Hotbed]

I did meccano as a kid, does that count ?.

 

[d williams]

Are they meant to have certificates or what ever ?

Have a look at the agi thread on here where farmer been fined £10k for shuttering panel falling on a construction worker on his farm even though he’s employed a construction firm to do the job
That’s a bit scary

 

[MD @Minshall Buildings]

Have a look at the agi thread on here where farmer been fined £10k for shuttering panel falling on a construction worker on his farm even though he’s employed a construction firm to do the job
That’s a bit scary

Its a often quoted misconception that if you employ someone to erect a building/do building works on the farm that they are responsible if something goes wrong. This is not the case as ultimate liability always stays with the employer....you!

We have invested heavily in training our erectors and builders in all aspects of completing their roles on site and they all have the requisite operators tickets for the plant they use. Additionally all our building erections also include nets and hand railing...........Sadly we often then loose out to others who cut corners and are therefore cheaper which is often a big driver for farmers in placing their orders!

It's as it is everywhere....we get what we pay for, including the risks that go with it!

 

[d williams]

Its a often quoted misconception that if you employ someone to erect a building/do building works on the farm that they are responsible if something goes wrong. This is not the case as ultimate liability always stays with the employer....you!

We have invested heavily in training our erectors and builders in all aspects of completing their roles on site and they all have the requisite operators tickets for the plant they use. Additionally all our building erections also include nets and hand railing...........Sadly we often then loose out to others who cut corners and are therefore cheaper which is often a big driver for farmers in placing their orders!

It's as it is everywhere....we get what we pay for, including the risks that go with it!

Yes I understand what your saying and some responsibility should be with the in this case the farmer but when someone has been contracted to do a specialist contract then how far should responsibility go

 

[MD @Minshall Buildings]

Yes I understand what your saying and some responsibility should be with the in this case the farmer but when someone has been contracted to do a specialist contract then how far should responsibility go

I guess what I'm really saying is that we all have to do due diligence on who we contract to work for us.

If the key driver is "price" then this will always favour those contractors prepared to cut corners as there are clearly savings to be made if they do?

Whether we like it or not quality costs and if it's all about price then there will always be risk in these decisions...…... and rightly liability must therefore be ours in some part if it goes wrong!

 

[Hilly]

I can’t see not using nets and safety rails make it cheaper both things pretty low investment and don’t take that much time ??

so all you need is certificates for the machines ?

 

[Forever Fendt]

I can’t see not using nets and safety rails make it cheaper both things pretty low investment and don’t take that much time ??

so all you need is certificates for the machines ?

Even for a small building it will add up to about £500 for time taken erecting and dismantling and the cost of the original purchase and replacement but should something go wrong £500 would not buy you much time of a solicitor or barrister to try and defend what could be an eye watering amount of money in fines

 

[Hilly]

Even for a small building it will add up to about £500 for time taken erecting and dismantling and the cost of the original purchase and replacement but should something go wrong £500 would not buy you much time of a solicitor or barrister to try and defend what could be an eye watering amount of money in fines

Im not saying don’t use them I’m all for them but don’t see them two things cost much , 500 on a shed is nothing

 

[Forever Fendt]

Im not saying don’t use them I’m all for them but don’t see them two things cost much , 500 on a shed is nothing

I am glad you agree you would be surprised how many farmers say is it necessary but funnily enough they never want to come onto roof to discuss it don't get me wrong we have done 100s without but after going through it tends to change your mind

 

[Hilly]

I am glad you agree you would be surprised how many farmers say is it necessary but funnily enough they never want to come onto roof to discuss it don't get me wrong we have done 100s without but after going through it tends to change your mind

Is that your job then steel erecting ?

 

[Derky]

Safety netting training. Hand rail training. safety nets, safety net testing handrail systems its not pence along with the cost and time to put them up and down. Far too many people still doing the job with none of these.

 

[Forever Fendt]

Is that your job then steel erecting ?

Is that your job then steel erecting ?

steel fabrication and erecting including sheeting

 

[Hilly]

steel fabrication and erecting including sheeting

So what needs to be done to be legal/ safe is my question , tickets for forklift tickets for cherry picker , do really need do course on nets safety rail ?

 

[Forever Fendt]

So what needs to be done to be legal/ safe is my question , tickets for forklift tickets for cherry picker , do really need do course on nets safety rail ?

what's the story are you doing them for others a one of yourself pm if you like

 

[ewald]

Generally as businesses we are responsible for all work done on our behalf - you need to be looking at method statements, risk assessments etc

If you don’t feel competent to organise this you need to appoint a project manager to do it for you

Or you just hope that nothing goes wrong

 

[Forever Fendt]

Generally as businesses we are responsible for all work done on our behalf - you need to be looking at method statements, risk assessments etc

If you don’t feel competent to organise this you need to appoint a project manager to do it for you

Or you just hope that nothing goes wrong

And hopefully your project manager will employ a safety adviser and a CDM coordinator

 

[Hilly]

And hopefully your project manager will employ a safety adviser and a CDM coordinator

What’s a cdm coordinator ?

 

[ewald]

And hopefully your project manager will employ a safety adviser and a CDM coordinator

Absolutely. I was trying to make the point that you need to consider getting professional support if you consider you need it.

 

[Hilly]

Absolutely. I was trying to make the point that you need to consider getting professional support if you consider you need it.

Absolutely. I was trying to make the point that you need to consider getting professional support if you consider you need it.

Are you a steel erector ?