Straw in swath price for harvest 2014

[Derrick Hughes]

Nothing to simmer down about.

Farmer gets shafted like always.

Sorry can you explain shafted again

 

[warksfarmer]

Sorry can you explain shafted again

Get some glasses and read the whole thread again. The middle men are not required and it means the farmers are being shafted.

I give up.

 

[Hatch1778]

Nothing to simmer down about.

Farmer gets shafted like always.

I'm a farmer and I have several balers. The farmer doesn't get shafted. Nobody gets shafted.

The person that's gets shafted the most is me when:
Stacks catch fire
Stacks fall over
16% stack is wasted
It rains at harvest
25 farmers want a baler on the same day
25 farmers want a chaser on the same day
25 farmers want a jcb on the same day
75 farmers want a cheque on 1st of Oct
String man wants cheque 1st of sept
Students break things
Customers don't pay
Lorries slip into ditches etc etc etc etc

But it's still good fun and it makes me feel good knowing that all of those moo's are lying on and eating lovely CHEAP dry straw!

 

[roscoe erf]

Only because he asked them.

The point is straw should be the same price everywhere like wheat/barley (within a few quid) and sell it locally because it's not worth £150/t like wheat so stop screwing the supplier because everybody thinks it's a waste product.

they didn't go there just for him or the straw it was a backload and it is a waste product you don't grow it for the straw

 

[nick channer]

they didn't go there just for him or the straw it was a backload and it is a waste product you don't grow it for the straw

We grow winter barley cos we want the small bale straw
The grain is a bonus!!

 

[roscoe erf]

We grow winter barley cos we want the small bale straw
The grain is a bonus!!

theres always one so will you go back to the old varieties where there is more straw and less grain

 

[bobk]

theres always one so will you go back to the old varieties where there is more straw and less grain

I've considered that option

 

[roscoe erf]

I've considered that option

but I'm sure somewhere on here someone said straw is too cheap

 

[bobk]

but I'm sure somewhere on here someone said straw is too cheap

It's ok if you sell little uns direct to end user.

 

[nick channer]

We don't put any straw regulator on any our crops
Does that count ??

 

[Serup]

Most of mine goes half a mile down the road, and comes back as this.View attachment 95084

Do you have any regulations on N over there, in muck/slurry etc or fertilizer?
We buy a lot of straw from neighbours at harvest and bale it for our deep litter sheds.

We have a N-quota on all crops, depending on soil type (clay can get about 10% more than sand) and previous crop (if it leaves a lot of N in the soil, you can give less).

We have standard values for N out of all animals, so it's calculated how much N you have to subtract from your N-quota before you can buy fertilizer. This is dependant on system, muck have to be utilised 45% and slurry 70% if it's from cows and 75% if it's from pigs.

These numbers are very difficult to get, and the quota is already calculated to be 18% below economical optimum (by law). So many don't want any muck unless they can get more than we give them on paper. If we do this, we have even less N for our own crops, so that will fast get more than 25% N below optimum.

I really like this straw-for-muck kinda deals, but they will probably never happen in Denmark.

So we give our fields a lot of muck and have very good soil structure, but yields are too low, because our crops desperately needs more N.
Our neighbours give much more fertilizer and have better yields but they are slowly declining because their carbon-levels are going down and the soil is becoming "dead". Because of this more and more wants to chop their straw and we have to go further and further away to get enough straw every year.

Usually we give silage maize around 30 kg N/ha in fertilizer and wheat gets 70-80 kg N/ha in fertiliser, the rest is slurry or primarily muck, and not too much.

To get back on topic, we usually pay between 150 and 200 DKR/ton in the swath, which is around 16-21 £/ton. We pay most on multi-year deals and less on one-time deals. Usually if we don't get it, it's because the farmer wants to chop it. Other potential buyers is usually selling to powerstations, and they bid less, usually 10-15£/ton.

 

[DRC]

Do you have any regulations on N over there, in muck/slurry etc or fertilizer?
We buy a lot of straw from neighbours at harvest and bale it for our deep litter sheds.

We have a N-quota on all crops, depending on soil type (clay can get about 10% more than sand) and previous crop (if it leaves a lot of N in the soil, you can give less).

We have standard values for N out of all animals, so it's calculated how much N you have to subtract from your N-quota before you can buy fertilizer. This is dependant on system, muck have to be utilised 45% and slurry 70% if it's from cows and 75% if it's from pigs.

These numbers are very difficult to get, and the quota is already calculated to be 18% below economical optimum (by law). So many don't want any muck unless they can get more than we give them on paper. If we do this, we have even less N for our own crops, so that will fast get more than 25% N below optimum.

I really like this straw-for-muck kinda deals, but they will probably never happen in Denmark.

So we give our fields a lot of muck and have very good soil structure, but yields are too low, because our crops desperately needs more N.
Our neighbours give much more fertilizer and have better yields but they are slowly declining because their carbon-levels are going down and the soil is becoming "dead". Because of this more and more wants to chop their straw and we have to go further and further away to get enough straw every year.

Usually we give silage maize around 30 kg N/ha in fertilizer and wheat gets 70-80 kg N/ha in fertiliser, the rest is slurry or primarily muck, and not too much.

To get back on topic, we usually pay between 150 and 200 DKR/ton in the swath, which is around 16-21 £/ton. We pay most on multi-year deals and less on one-time deals. Usually if we don't get it, it's because the farmer wants to chop it. Other potential buyers is usually selling to powerstations, and they bid less, usually 10-15£/ton.

Yes we're regulated on total N and we are in a nitrate vulnerable zone NVZ , which has no spreading dates etc. Most of my fields will get 10t an acre of muck every other year.

 

[roscoe erf]

We don't put any straw regulator on any our crops
Does that count ??

 

[onthehoof]

Are you going To St Ives sale

Yes

 

[gone up the hill]

I'm a farmer and I have several balers. The farmer doesn't get shafted. Nobody gets shafted.

The person that's gets shafted the most is me when:
Stacks catch fire
Stacks fall over
16% stack is wasted
It rains at harvest
25 farmers want a baler on the same day
25 farmers want a chaser on the same day
25 farmers want a jcb on the same day
75 farmers want a cheque on 1st of Oct
String man wants cheque 1st of sept
Students break things
Customers don't pay
Lorries slip into ditches etc etc etc etc

But it's still good fun and it makes me feel good knowing that all of those moo's are lying on and eating lovely CHEAP dry straw!

Cheap did you open the bottles of beer and start the NYE celebrations a night early

 

[Hatch1778]

Cheap did you open the bottles of beer and start the NYE celebrations a night early

Cheap cheap......like a budgie!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Yes

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