Strikes

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
A Nationalised Rail Industry can work, but not while we have a discord between Industry and Unions.

Sadly, the RMT has demonstrated what is possible when you have your employer by the bxxls, we now have RMT drivers earning double that of a Nurse, this is not sustainable. How can an employee earn more than those who are paying them (the taxpayer) the sums don't add up.

ASLEF appear to be less Militant, however are happy to ride on the back of the RMT.

People quote German and Dutch train services, however a driver in these Countries earns two thirds to half that of a driver in the UK.

So, we now have a dysfunctional system, a mess up of Militant Unions, Private/Public Companies and a myriad of operators. All at a massive subsidised cost to the tax payer.

It is clear that throwing tax payer money at a problem only makes it worse, not better.

The NHS is now costing us £20,000,000 a minute 24/7/365 !!!

As for the train operator profits, anyone who sells goods, and has a high value in transport knows, they need to provide a bond at the industry expectations. In other words, have the cash available to cover a catastrophic event. In addition to this, all other liabilities need to covered.

So for all those hankering to strike for higher pay, (mainly the public sector) remember you were never meant to earn as much as those in the private sector, the trade off was a better pension and earlier retirement.

And as we all know, higher public costs will simply drive inflation higher.
 
A Nationalised Rail Industry can work, but not while we have a discord between Industry and Unions.

Sadly, the RMT has demonstrated what is possible when you have your employer by the bxxls, we now have RMT drivers earning double that of a Nurse, this is not sustainable. How can an employee earn more than those who are paying them (the taxpayer) the sums don't add up.

ASLEF appear to be less Militant, however are happy to ride on the back of the RMT.

People quote German and Dutch train services, however a driver in these Countries earns two thirds to half that of a driver in the UK.

So, we now have a dysfunctional system, a mess up of Militant Unions, Private/Public Companies and a myriad of operators. All at a massive subsidised cost to the tax payer.

It is clear that throwing tax payer money at a problem only makes it worse, not better.

The NHS is now costing us £20,000,000 a minute 24/7/365 !!!

As for the train operator profits, anyone who sells goods, and has a high value in transport knows, they need to provide a bond at the industry expectations. In other words, have the cash available to cover a catastrophic event. In addition to this, all other liabilities need to covered.

So for all those hankering to strike for higher pay, (mainly the public sector) remember you were never meant to earn as much as those in the private sector, the trade off was a better pension and earlier retirement.

And as we all know, higher public costs will simply drive inflation higher.

We need to tax the ever living fudge out of people I'm afraid. Rein in spending that way and a more equitable society for all.
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
We need to tax the ever living fudge out of people I'm afraid. Rein in spending that way and a more equitable society for all.


I'm all for tax at the point of spend, a purchase tax would be the fairest way, plus it would catch all the dodgers.

If you live off the state, no cash, only credits and vouchers to pay for rent, heating, food etc, etc, each on it's own merits........
 

SteveHants

Member
Livestock Farmer
A Nationalised Rail Industry can work, but not while we have a discord between Industry and Unions.

Sadly, the RMT has demonstrated what is possible when you have your employer by the bxxls, we now have RMT drivers earning double that of a Nurse, this is not sustainable. How can an employee earn more than those who are paying them (the taxpayer) the sums don't add up.

ASLEF appear to be less Militant, however are happy to ride on the back of the RMT.

People quote German and Dutch train services, however a driver in these Countries earns two thirds to half that of a driver in the UK.

So, we now have a dysfunctional system, a mess up of Militant Unions, Private/Public Companies and a myriad of operators. All at a massive subsidised cost to the tax payer.

It is clear that throwing tax payer money at a problem only makes it worse, not better.

The NHS is now costing us £20,000,000 a minute 24/7/365 !!!

As for the train operator profits, anyone who sells goods, and has a high value in transport knows, they need to provide a bond at the industry expectations. In other words, have the cash available to cover a catastrophic event. In addition to this, all other liabilities need to covered.

So for all those hankering to strike for higher pay, (mainly the public sector) remember you were never meant to earn as much as those in the private sector, the trade off was a better pension and earlier retirement.

And as we all know, higher public costs will simply drive inflation higher.

There aren't many drivers in the RMT - most are in Aslef. The average salary of an RMT member is 33k - they mostly cover ancillary workers.

The rail companies post huge profits, pay loads in dividends and continue to be bailed out by government and yet its the ancillary workers who need to earn less?
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
There aren't many drivers in the RMT - most are in Aslef. The average salary of an RMT member is 33k - they mostly cover ancillary workers.

The rail companies post huge profits, pay loads in dividends and continue to be bailed out by government and yet its the ancillary workers who need to earn less?
The RMT talks with a forked tongue one of it spokesmen said £33K another £37 K the BBC that famous right wing mouthpiece actually reckons it is £38K
 

Bongodog

Member
Is it more or less of a joke than the current system?
I'd say less. Trains still don't arrive on time, services have been cut and they are now way more expensive.
Yes, British Rail was bad, but its now more badly run and costs us more.

Welcome to the future :ROFLMAO:
I take it you aren't old enough to have travelled by British rail ? The experience was so awful I have only recently started using the railways again.
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
There aren't many drivers in the RMT - most are in Aslef. The average salary of an RMT member is 33k - they mostly cover ancillary workers.

The rail companies post huge profits, pay loads in dividends and continue to be bailed out by government and yet its the ancillary workers who need to earn less?
Maybe the Unions should share it out better, some of the Tube drivers earn over £100k.

Anyone who is paid by the taxpayer should (needs) to hold fast, if they don't inflation will rise even further, and the fight to get it down is lost.

The nurses are skilled, and should earn more than the unskilled rail workers.

Dividends are paid to shareholders, you know, the ones who put up the cash, and take the risk.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Maybe the Unions should share it out better, some of the Tube drivers earn over £100k.

Anyone who is paid by the taxpayer should (needs) to hold fast, if they don't inflation will rise even further, and the fight to get it down is lost.

The nurses are skilled, and should earn more than the unskilled rail workers.

Dividends are paid to shareholders, you know, the ones who put up the cash, and take the risk.
And of course most dividends are paid out to pension companies to distribute to all those private pension holders
 

SteveHants

Member
Livestock Farmer
Maybe the Unions should share it out better, some of the Tube drivers earn over £100k.

Anyone who is paid by the taxpayer should (needs) to hold fast, if they don't inflation will rise even further, and the fight to get it down is lost.

The nurses are skilled, and should earn more than the unskilled rail workers.

Dividends are paid to shareholders, you know, the ones who put up the cash, and take the risk.
The unions don't set the pay and the drivers aren't usually in the RMT..... 🤔
 

Bloders

Member
Location
Ruabon
Maybe the Unions should share it out better, some of the Tube drivers earn over £100k.
I personally know a train driver who refuses overtime when his earnings reach 96K, as he doesnt want to go over 100K earnings.
He gets 250 for driving (his car) from Sheffield to Crewe ready for work the next day.
Fair? I dont think so.
 

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