Stubble Cultivator

[Michael1]

Hi just wondering what is the minimum power requirement for a 4m stubble cultivator at 7 to 8 inches deep, the likes of a vaderstad cultus or kuhn cultimer or horsch terrano please.

 

[nxy]

I am on my 4th Kverneland CLC which is a very similar machine to the cultus. This one is 3.6m and has a double disc gangat the back, if you are looking at new its now called something else. On light land and on narrow points my 165 Hp just about handles it at those sort of depths. It wouldn't if I kept the wings on. Depending on what you have got at the back these machines are heavy so its not just pulling it that you need to think about. The CLC here spends most of its time on either a 180Hp or 260Hp magnum going down deep.

 

[DrWazzock]

About 200 hp.
I’ve a 3m terradisc that can bring 135 hp to its knees. Just too hard and dry to use at the moment. They need to run at a decent speed to be effective. So although a lower power tractor can pull them, the finish isn’t good.

 

[Michael1]

OK thanks for both replies, I've a 5m Amazone Catros trailed that I can pull with a New Holland T7.185 at just a few inches deep.

 

[Brisel]

What soil type? How wide are the points? Would you consider doing it twice, the second time deeper? If you want a good mixing boil of soil, you are going to need 200hp+

 

[nxy]

I am on my 4th Kverneland CLC which is a very similar machine to the cultus. This one is 3.6m and has a double disc gangat the back, if you are looking at new its now called something else. On light land and on narrow points my 165 Hp just about handles it at those sort of depths. It wouldn't if I kept the wings on. Depending on what you have got at the back these machines are heavy so its not just pulling it that you need to think about. The CLC here spends most of its time on either a 180Hp or 260Hp magnum going down deep.

Snapped my magnum top link tonight going into a field with the CLC. I told you it was heavy.

 

[czechmate]

Snapped my magnum top link tonight going into a field with the CLC. I told you it was heavy.

sumo trios were good for that…
then putting the subsoil point through the rear tyres

 

[Michael1]

80mm point I'd say, thinking of changing away from the plough and I used to plough 8 to 9 inches so what depth would I need to go to work one of those?

 

[Renaultman]

80mm point I'd say, thinking of changing away from the plough and I used to plough 8 to 9 inches so what depth would I need to go to work one of those?

Why do you need to go too deep?
I would suggest 5" max, with an eye on what's beneath and go deeper, or subsoil, when or if required.

 

[Wigeon]

I've tried a gutler supermaxx this yr. 7 rows of tungsten points with a double following harrow. Fantastic bit of kit. Perfect year for it too.v

 

[Renaultman]

I've tried a gutler supermaxx this yr. 7 rows of tungsten points with a double following harrow. Fantastic bit of kit. Perfect year for it too.v

I've bought a second Simba Xpress, with ST bar ,this one has low disturbance legs so we can go deeper if I want to.
It's now like a poor man's Trio.

 

[David.]

I know it's unfashionable, but if you need 200hp on a 4m drag, why not just pull 5 furrows with 160, and be done with it, all worked to same uniform depth and a clean start

 

[Michael1]

Thought you would need to go deeper than 5 inches with our climate in Ireland but maybe I'm wrong and to answer your question about the plough your probably right but men to follow them are getting hard to find nowadays

 

[Laminated]

I pull a 4m discordon at 4-5 inches deep with a John Deere 7800 or 7530. Needs dual wheels on a wet year to get enough traction

 

[jondear]

I've tried a gutler supermaxx this yr. 7 rows of tungsten points with a double following harrow. Fantastic bit of kit. Perfect year for it too.v

@Devon James

 

[nxy]

I know it's unfashionable, but if you need 200hp on a 4m drag, why not just pull 5 furrows with 160, and be done with it, all worked to same uniform depth and a clean start

Because
These 4m machines have three times the work rate of a 5 furrow plough.
I find ploughing every year is as bad as not ploughing from a grassweed point of view, for me its a rotational tool.
If I plough I will always have to make a pass with something else before drilling. Land after ploughing Its neither firm nor level.
I also have a small drill mounted on my cultivator to allow one pass drilling of rape or small seed cover crops.

 

[teslacoils]

Terrano less hp per meter than solo or equivalent.

 

[teslacoils]

I know it's unfashionable, but if you need 200hp on a 4m drag, why not just pull 5 furrows with 160, and be done with it, all worked to same uniform depth and a clean start

Suppose it depends what state the plough leaves it after. Soloing yesterday, will roll today and that's it until the drill.

Could plough but my work rate would be 1/3, and would likely bake solid. Would certainly need the power harrow or two passes with a cuktipress.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I've tried a gutler supermaxx this yr. 7 rows of tungsten points with a double following harrow. Fantastic bit of kit. Perfect year for it too.v

I struggled with one last year but this year I have to cultivate before OSR seeding as barley affects germination and it's done a good job. Cheap to run too

 

[Wigeon]

I struggled with one last year but this year I have to cultivate before OSR seeding as barley affects germination and it's done a good job. Cheap to run too

Agreed. Nothing would go in the ground last yr. Different story now though. I'm also partly organic, and hoping it'll be my stale seedbed glyphosate.