Sumo dts

[farmer dave136]

Had a very successful demo of spring bean sowing and also put a field of spring barley in all into over winters ploughing ing the only draw back I can see and may be the only thing stop me buying one is the lack of pre emg markers on the back we spray everything after drilling and without discs on the back there's no chance of hitting the tramlines. Surely this should be an option ????

 

[Shutesy]

I think im right in saying that either your drilling into the previous crops stubble so you can still see and use the previous tramlines. Or if into cultivated/ploughed land you can set it to lift out the 2 tramlining legs when tramlining so you should be able to see the uncultivated strips when you come to spray it.

@MDA @Johndeere @RJW

 

[MDA]

Hi Dave,
Glad the demo went well.
You may have seen that our method on the DTS is to lift up the two tramline Coulters clear of the ground when in tramline mode. This means that the ground that becomes the tramline does not get disturbed and remains firm and so gives a lot better weight bearing capacity for the following traffic which really becomes apparent in a wetter spraying season and also allows you to get on the field earlier in the spring. A disc pre em marker cuts a grove in the soil which holds water which in effect is the start of a tramline rut, meaning erosion and sprayer run off etc.
Admittedly it does mean the tramline marks are not that evident, you can just see them when drilling in stubble but we think the advantages of this system far outweigh the disadvantages.
Many users don't use the TL option on the DTS, drill on an angle to previous and pick up last years TL's with the sprayer.
Marv.

 

[farmer dave136]

Yes I could see the two rows run out of the ground but when on ploughed ground it really needed some sort of mark to show where the tramlines are as the crop didn't come through well where the sorayers paddled over it

 

[MDA]

Ok fair enough, any DTS users on here want to give us your thoughts on this? @Richard Budd @Johndeere @green giant

 

[simonk88]

Drill at an angle then you can still see last years tramlines, well we can anyway!

 

[Johndeere]

Ok fair enough, any DTS users on here want to give us your thoughts on this? @Richard Budd @Johndeere @green giant

I am rarely putting tramlines in now because we drill at different angles year on year, I either follow last years mark or put them in via gps. I personally think the two lift out legs does enough for you to see your mark and is a clever feature of the drill

 

[farmer dave136]

I put 300 acres in this spring all has come fine jury's still out on wether the rows are a bit wide for barley, but ploughed land I think the option of pre em markers would be useful if I ever don't put tramlines in we get a lot of green corn In the sample at harvest

 

[Douglasmn]

Using a different strip til drill here but never tramline with the drill. One of the best things you can do in my experience(to not tramline with the drill). Your tramlines will be more level and travel better, you'll be far less likely to be picking up mud on your tyres, also makes the drilling operation that bit easier because you just go!

 

[farmer dave136]

Using a different strip til drill here but never tramline with the drill. One of the best things you can do in my experience(to not tramline with the drill). Your tramlines will be more level and travel better, you'll be far less likely to be picking up mud on your tyres, also makes the drilling operation that bit easier because you just go!

Do you not find you get a lot of green grains on the corn sample at harvest due to the plants your running over not maturing as fast

 

[Douglasmn]

Honestly not really an issue, no. By harvest time usually crushed/trampled well enough that it's not a problem, the header rides over them. Another reason I do it that way is means I can easily use the same tramlines every year. Very easy way of doing it, and gives you a good feeling when you see other people running around after combining with their sub-soilers on their tramlines!

 

[green giant]

Ok fair enough, any DTS users on here want to give us your thoughts on this? @Richard Budd @Johndeere @green giant

Well here's my view, demoing at various farms who have been conventional till, getting across to them that running at an angle to previous tramlines is the way to go is the first battle (we have drilled it off that hedge for the last 40 years boy) that said you can clearly see the pre em markers when you know what your looking for, and IMO is a great idea for reason stated by MDA. I personally can also see them in plough/cultivated land but admittedly not easyally. Guess it depends a lot of the system the customer is running since more and more are going to gps and putting tramlines in with the sprayer.

 

[Oscar]

A easy option would be if you could lower both bout markers at same time as then on the next pass to a tramline it would leave a centre mark? I did this one year with a vaderstad rapid when pre e markers failed. It is quite hard to see your marks from sprayer but after getting the first one then gps is your friend

 

[Richard Budd]

We do a bit of both, we use the tramline facility on new ground we take on so we have a nice firm base to travel with the sprayer the first time we drill that particular field, can be a bit difficult to find initially if on cultivated ground but once found the first tramline then use the GPS on the sprayer to find and run the rest of them. On ground we have farmed in previous years we are not using the tramline facility instead drilling at an angle and using last years tramlines. I really like Sumo's tramline marker, as a conventional disc marker on our clay soils leaves a perfect water channel which during a wet winter has resulted in some really bad soil erosion in the past - by just leaving uncultivated ground that issue is eliminated - providing you have not churned the tramlines up during the autumn.

 

[penfold]

Had a very successful demo of spring bean sowing and also put a field of spring barley in all into over winters ploughing ing the only draw back I can see and may be the only thing stop me buying one is the lack of pre emg markers on the back we spray everything after drilling and without discs on the back there's no chance of hitting the tramlines. Surely this should be an option ????

Hello Farmer Dave136 Will here from Mzuri.
To be fair we also have very few customers regularly using tramlining. As said above with StripTil drills most would drill at an angle to the previous crop and use the previous tramlines. However there are sometimes situations where you may want or need to put in fresh tramlines (e.g. after subsoiling, contracting etc) which is why we offer the option of Pre Em Markers and/or Coulter Lift. We use a double acting ram on our Pre Em Markers as sometimes, on hard going, you need a fair bit of pressure to make a mark you can see through high levels of surface residue. If you would like to know more please feel free to PM me.
Will

 

[farmer dave136]

Hi Will do you have any literature on the drill and a price for a 4 metre one you could email me?
[email protected]
Regards
David

 

[farmer dave136]

Hi Dave,
Glad the demo went well.
You may have seen that our method on the DTS is to lift up the two tramline Coulters clear of the ground when in tramline mode. This means that the ground that becomes the tramline does not get disturbed and remains firm and so gives a lot better weight bearing capacity for the following traffic which really becomes apparent in a wetter spraying season and also allows you to get on the field earlier in the spring. A disc pre em marker cuts a grove in the soil which holds water which in effect is the start of a tramline rut, meaning erosion and sprayer run off etc.
Admittedly it does mean the tramline marks are not that evident, you can just see them when drilling in stubble but we think the advantages of this system far outweigh the disadvantages.
Many users don't use the TL option on the DTS, drill on an angle to previous and pick up last years TL's with the sprayer.
Marv.

Do you have a price for a 4 meter?

 

[Hicksy]

I've put tramlines in spring beans and spring barley this year, for the first time, I struggle to see the bare ground left by the legs being lifted, so I marked the first tramline by driving from one end of the field to the other so I could easily find it for when I sprayed the field then after that every time I finished a tramline run I backed back to leave a short wheel mark, did a couple of fields like that then went back to drilling at an angle it's amazing how last years tramlines stand out , I prefer to drill that way

 

[MDA]

Do you have a price for a 4 meter?

Pm'd.

 

[penfold]

PM'd