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[som farmer]

as we might be starting down this sh#tty way, I have a question -
I was told today, of a farmer, whose young 3rd calver, was refused full comp, and paid out at the over 84 month rate, as according to bcms, she hadn't calved for 2 yrs. had a dead calf
is this correct ?
is it some petty official over stepping ?
or are we going to have to register dead calves as well ?
it sounds wrong to me, and if it is right, its #######
anyone with any info ?

 

[matthew]

They do look at when (or if) the animal has calved.
Anything to drop the comp.
They also check pedigree status.

And seem quite happy in their respective jobs.

 

[multi power]

But bcms don't know if an animal has calved, only if a live calf has been registered

 

[gone up the hill]

as we might be starting down this sh#tty way, I have a question -
I was told today, of a farmer, whose young 3rd calver, was refused full comp, and paid out at the over 84 month rate, as according to bcms, she hadn't calved for 2 yrs. had a dead calf
is this correct ?
is it some petty official over stepping ?
or are we going to have to register dead calves as well ?
it sounds wrong to me, and if it is right, its #######
anyone with any info ?

So the last calve died but what hasn't the cow calved in the previous 12 months to this calving??

Ie : she has only had one dead calve in 2 years from what your saying!

Also you are 100% certain this cow wasn't bought in after the farm went down with TB?? as compensation is now only paid at 50% for animals bought when you are under a TB2 notice then go down with TB under that notice..

 

[matthew]

I'm assuming this animal is dairy and not beef?

Compensation tables below:

Bovine TB: compensation value tables

Compensation value tables for cattle culled to control spread of bovine TB, brucellosis or enzootic bovine leukosis.

www.gov.uk

For dairy animals the difference between having calved, and presumably be in milk? and over 84 months (7 years old) is huge. I would certainly appeal this, as having had a calf, albeit one which did not survive, the animal should / would be in milk. If not, then APHA have paid barren rate and not the age on her passport.

And don't forget their earlier swipe of 'pedigree' animals with breed societies not registered with the EU zootechnical department.

Another Defra cash snatch? (Updated)

Futher update: The EU document from which this legislation is spawned, is linked to below. It was published on June 8th 2016 and is q...

bovinetb.blogspot.com

 

[som farmer]

I'm assuming this animal is dairy and not beef?

Compensation tables below:

Bovine TB: compensation value tables

Compensation value tables for cattle culled to control spread of bovine TB, brucellosis or enzootic bovine leukosis.

www.gov.uk

For dairy animals the difference between having calved, and presumably be in milk? and over 84 months (7 years old) is huge. I would certainly appeal this, as having had a calf, albeit one which did not survive, the animal should / would be in milk. If not, then APHA have paid barren rate and not the age on her passport.

And don't forget their earlier swipe of 'pedigree' animals with breed societies not registered with the EU zootechnical department.

Another Defra cash snatch? (Updated)

Futher update: The EU document from which this legislation is spawned, is linked to below. It was published on June 8th 2016 and is q...

bovinetb.blogspot.com

animal in question was ped dairy cow, not mine
thankyou for answering, we have got a blue albion, but not ped! so latter table not a problem.
more worried about not paying full amount of comp for animals that have not had a calf reg to them in last 2 years on bcms. will this mean we have to register a calf to every cow at every calving, even if its a dead calf, we do not treat dairy bull calves with the same dedication as beef or dairy hfrs, so there is quite a few cows, not calved in the last 2 years. also, if you buy fresh calved, and vendor hasn't '?

 

[matthew]

animal in question was ped dairy cow, not mine
thankyou for answering, we have got a blue albion, but not ped! so latter table not a problem.
more worried about not paying full amount of comp for animals that have not had a calf reg to them in last 2 years on bcms. will this mean we have to register a calf to every cow at every calving, even if its a dead calf, we do not treat dairy bull calves with the same dedication as beef or dairy hfrs, so there is quite a few cows, not calved in the last 2 years. also, if you buy fresh calved, and vendor hasn't '?

Any excuse, I feel.

We had a suckler cow calve triplets this year, sadly none survived. But she is rearing a twin from another cow. So we may have been in the same situation.
Likewise with minority breed reactors. Fortunately Bazadaise are now recognised, thanks to a lot of work by our secretary.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Has he tried presenting some other evidence that she calved? PD for the calf she lost? Milk recording? Farm diary? Presumably she had been dried off before she had her dead calf and then started milking again?

 

[PaulNix]

Think there is a section for declaring the deaths of unregistered calves on the BCMS site ? isn't right they don't take our word for it but maybe we should all start doing this just to cover ourselves as it shouldn't be more than the time to do it, no tag needed.

 

[Whitepeak]

Think there is a section for declaring the deaths of unregistered calves on the BCMS site ? isn't right they don't take our word for it but maybe we should all start doing this just to cover ourselves as it shouldn't be more than the time to do it, no tag needed.

Yes there is, we've started doing it this year as we've been using the BVD tags from our normal run of tags in any calves born dead. You can assign a tag number to an unregistered calf.

 

[PaulNix]

Yes there is, we've started doing it this year as we've been using the BVD tags from our normal run of tags in any calves born dead. You can assign a tag number to an unregistered calf.

Sorry i ment to put a question mark at the end asking if a dead calf needed a tag as I have no idea, a pita though and add that cost for no benefit ( yet again).

 

[Whitepeak]

Sorry i ment to put a question mark at the end asking if a dead calf needed a tag as I have no idea, a pita though and add that cost for no benefit ( yet again).

Yeah you need to use a tag. We've started BVD tagging all calves including those born dead, but a plain BVD sample tag is only a couple of pence cheaper than a numbered tag so we didn't think it worth getting some.