Tagging lambs at birth outside

neilo

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This flock is only 150 so admittedly manageable.

However I would have thought it was scalable as if you were lambing big numbers surely there will be more labour within reason.

I see the logic in car paint. Would marking them as early as tupping or at Scanning work so as not having to handle when heavy in lamb?

Car paint is a no no for anything but shedders. It isn’t scourable from wool, which would likely be coming off only a month or two after lambing.
 

Poorbuthappy

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mine are done pre lambing and it works well enough----the last few may be difficult to make out but by elimination its an easy process to figure who is who
My ewe lambs have 75% shed now, and still a few tail enders lambing.
Ewes are slower shedding I grant you.
 
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neilo

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Montgomeryshire
If you are going to record at birth outside you might just as well invest in a management tag,it will be useful at other times also
The Zee tag mentioned earlier has really good retention

Or maybe sheep that stick to their lambs close enough than you can scan the tags with a reader.(y) I only have one or two a year that won’t stand within the Psion’s range whilst I’m ringing/tagging their lambs. I don’t tag their lambs for potential replacements on account of it.

Had a handful of pure Lleyn shearlings lamb this year where not one would stand near enough. That’s sealed their fate, as well as their progeny’s, and any other Lleyn blood that I might have been tempted to introduce.:stop:
 

Poorbuthappy

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Or maybe sheep that stick to their lambs close enough than you can scan the tags with a reader.(y) I only have one or two a year that won’t stand within the Psion’s range whilst I’m ringing/tagging their lambs. I don’t tag their lambs for potential replacements on account of it.

Had a handful of pure Lleyn shearlings lamb this year where not one would stand near enough. That’s sealed their fate, as well as their progeny’s, and any other Lleyn blood that I might have been tempted to introduce.:stop:
I really wonder what Lleyns you bought Neil. Every time you mention them, it's a fault I find mine excel at...
 

neilo

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I really wonder what Lleyns you bought Neil. Every time you mention them, it's a fault I find mine excel at...

I aappreciate that there is more variation within a breed than between them, but the very small handful I bought are without doubt the worst group of sheep i’ve Ever had the misfortune to work with. I consider that I struck lucky though, as the same year I was looking to buy in a pedigree flock of 250, which thankfully (as it happens) fell through.
On the other hand, I have been very impressed with the progeny of the ram I bought from the same place. The whethers did well and the daughters have been great lambing as hoggs.

I have left a few sons entire, out of good Highlander ewes, with a view to keeping the best Lleyn x Highlander ram to use. That will be enough Lleyn blood for me, just for an injection of hybrid vigour.
 

Poorbuthappy

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I aappreciate that there is more variation within a breed than between them, but the very small handful I bought are without doubt the worst group of sheep i’ve Ever had the misfortune to work with. I consider that I struck lucky though, as the same year I was looking to buy in a pedigree flock of 250, which thankfully (as it happens) fell through.
On the other hand, I have been very impressed with the progeny of the ram I bought from the same place. The whethers did well and the daughters have been great lambing as hoggs.

I have left a few sons entire, out of good Highlander ewes, with a view to keeping the best Lleyn x Highlander ram to use. That will be enough Lleyn blood for me, just for an injection of hybrid vigour.
Agree about variation within a breed, I was just surprised at what you said about the Lleyns being stand off ish. Mine really shine at lambing time and that's when I wish I had a whole flock of them. They're the ones who go off to lamb on their own as far away from the rest as possible. They're the ones who'll stand practically in your lap when tailing their lambs, and the ones who'll keep their lambs together better than anything else.
But I find them slower growing than the Highlanders, and more prone to lameness and mastitis, so the rest of the year I'm not so keen.
 

neilo

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Agree about variation within a breed, I was just surprised at what you said about the Lleyns being stand off ish. Mine really shine at lambing time and that's when I wish I had a whole flock of them. They're the ones who go off to lamb on their own as far away from the rest as possible. They're the ones who'll stand practically in your lap when tailing their lambs, and the ones who'll keep their lambs together better than anything else.
But I find them slower growing than the Highlanders, and more prone to lameness and mastitis, so the rest of the year I'm not so keen.

Absolutely the opposite of my (admittedly very small) sample. As ewe lambs, on the same forage only system as my own, they didn’t come through the winter as well. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on mothering as ewe lambs, but certainly didn’t shine. I shot one as her pelvis was so small that my (very small handed) vet could get the lamb out, even in pieces. Again, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and wrote her off as a one off individual.
As shearlings I had 5 of them lamb before one lambed herself and actually stick with her lambs. We’re off I thought, then the next morning she’d wandered off and left one. She was only 50 yards away but couldn’t give a toss about her lamb crying out to her. She still doesn’t, but is dragging them up.
One (scanned for 3) had quads. 2 alive at about 2.5kg each, and two dead smaller ones. After a week I let her out and she is rearing them of a fashion, but certainly not an attentive mum.

I’ll pass thanks.:censored: Hats off to the guys that run any number of them lambing outside though.:)

For the record, I don’t like Marmite either.
 

Tim W

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Wiltshire
Or maybe sheep that stick to their lambs close enough than you can scan the tags with a reader.(y).

This i think is often more to do with how used to seeing people the sheep are ? My ewes next to nat trust land with 100+ walkers/picnickers a day can all be read with a Psion whereas the ewes on the downs that never have people walking through them will stay just outside ''Psion'' range (if i can catch the lambs to start with )
 
Only twins lamb outside on the main flocks, the “other flocks” are all lambed our, nothing apart from a major problem will come in.

I spoke to someone locally who was half our size and did all indoor lambing and they said that it was almost at the point of they were missing the odd problem with other ewes because they were tagging and inputting data, they said that if outside they wouldn’t dream about doing it as the weather and predators arnt on your side!

If you are looking for an excuse not to do something you will always find one.
Plenty of people are recording large numbers at birth outside. It is perfectly possible if you want to do it.
 
If you're spraying numbers on the ewes and lambs anyway you should be able to read tags at the same time? We put large numbered tags in all our home bred replacements so eventually most of our breeding ewes will have easy-read tags! In the meantime a lot of patience and bobbing about trying to read her tag while kneeling with the lamb or grabbing the ewe or luring her into a trailer works!
 

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