- Location
- Lincolnshire
Haven't seen takeall for years but there clearly was some in some second wheat (5th cereal) this year. Field is due to go into wheat again - anything that can be done to reduce risk?
Take all
- Thread starter teslacoils
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Other than check your variety which I guess is the same and not of concern I think you have to accept that some years the soil bacteria are out of kilter with the fungus. This is probably due to weather. It is not a given that one takeall year will give out to another. Plant later consider amistar at t0 and consider weather fungicides are helping soil bacteria did you make a change. And February fertilizer application. Also consider it just happens.
ollie989898
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Later drilling is supposed to help, cooler soil and all that.
I used to use a bit of phosphate foliar feed on some second wheats to help with rooting but I think it is largely down to the season and God's whim.
I used to use a bit of phosphate foliar feed on some second wheats to help with rooting but I think it is largely down to the season and God's whim.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I ticked all the boxes last year and presume the drought made it show up more.
I suppose I'm saying that, having seen it for the first time in ages, am I increasing the risk too much? I don't really understand the life cycle. As said, it was a bit of a suprise after many years of various cereals. Is it always just latently in the soil? Last year was the first chopping straw where previously it has been baled and muck or slurry applied.
I suppose I'm saying that, having seen it for the first time in ages, am I increasing the risk too much? I don't really understand the life cycle. As said, it was a bit of a suprise after many years of various cereals. Is it always just latently in the soil? Last year was the first chopping straw where previously it has been baled and muck or slurry applied.
ollie989898
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Take all is always there I believe, I suspect it can get by on weed grasses, live in margins and the like. It's a general plant health vs take all kind of equation. Abnormally hot and dry seasons probably put the plant up against it etc.
The fungal spores will always be there but don't give up the soil bacteria will find a balance and inhibit the fungus. This is how the takeall barrier works push through it and if you get the same again push through again. But make sure it is takeall not fusarium. We have overlooked the good bacteria in the soil and I think we should base more research on soil organisms especially when it comes to loosing old chemistry.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I've gps marked the worst spots so will go have a look. I've not considered fusarium in the soil.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Light land, continuous cereals, big applications of manure, ploughing, drought were all risk factors. They tell me continuous grass burns it out but I don’t think it does.
Did you see the classic white heads. Blackening around the nodes and black roots.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Yes, distinct patches of white heads, stood up. Stunted and sad roots. It was very distinctively in lines in the field, as if it was maybe excess trash.
Was if it died early, but these are big flat fields of uniform soil.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
A lot of ours looked like that. Hell of a moisture deficit this year. It died off early and was left with upright white heads. I put it down to drought. The only bit that stayed green for longer and yielded well was over the track made by beet carts three years ago that must have compacted the subsoil mightily. Can’t quite work out why.
I think generally drought stress amplifies the effects of take all that’s always lurking in the background.
We had no pink grains this year. So I didn’t think it was fusarium.
I think generally drought stress amplifies the effects of take all that’s always lurking in the background.
We had no pink grains this year. So I didn’t think it was fusarium.
ollie989898
Member
I always believed light land was worse for take all, but manure seemed to help by giving generally healthier plants?
- Location
- Shropshire
Generally, if you have had the problem then it shouldn’t be a problem in future.
ie if you grew continuous wheat but always used latitude, but then stopped, take all would be a problem, even if you had use latitude for ten years.
If you felt the pain on a second wheat, then converting to continuous should be ok without any extra dressing
- Location
- Shropshire
That’s the theory anyway
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Seen quite a bit this season. Had it on a Spring wheat (third cereal) but which had volunteers until well into winter. Was confirmed at NIAB laboratory. In the situations where severely damaged the crop there was suppression of growth from an early stage (March). No Latitude was used on these crops.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Year 5 wheat? Has been OSR, WW, WB,SB,Soats,Wheat, 2WW (which was affected) and now potentially 3WW
alomy75
Member
Sorry; yes I assumed 5th wheat
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Mmm. Latitude, delay drilling until late October, early N and see what happens. Might get Take all, might not. Select a variety that is supposedly better second wheat. Could be 10 t/ha, could be 6.5 t/ha. 9 months of uncertainty?? Or Spring Oats. Thought you were risk averse?