TB,badger cull,bring in the army!

Longlowdog

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
I would have pressed like but I've visited army ranges and seen first hand where some of the bullet holes are and I don't really fancy having too many of those 'marksmen' running around in the dark with s.l.rs. Do like the protester baiting tho'. Maybe the gov't would shell out for or lend a Gen 3 night sight for my wee collection of subcutaneous lead implanter's.
Seriously though, why have there been no publicised arrests for obstruction/terrorism/intimidation over this?
 

JD-Kid

Member
Be better keeping it under the radar a few good shooters mums the word hit and run style gives the antis less time to get ready etc ..the more it's in the press etc harder to carry out the job a few leaked tips of areas going to be culled but yet nothing happens in those areas
 

JD-Kid

Member
seen it here with geese if there is a cull and in the press heaps turn up .... under the radar the jobs done now geese on the pest list so took the wind out of the sails of a lot of groups ..

all target groups that carry TB should be targeted to contol it i'd be pi55ed if only one carryer was targeted ferrets etc etc all are carryers lower the whole lot , but farmers also need to make feeding and feed storeing hinting the big fork off so the risk of contact is lowered as well
 
Be better keeping it under the radar a few good shooters mums the word hit and run style gives the antis less time to get ready etc ..the more it's in the press etc harder to carry out the job a few leaked tips of areas going to be culled but yet nothing happens in those areas

The crew running the show (Un-Natural England) are leaders of the badgerist pack. IMHO of course :whistle:

Does disease control belong with such an organisation?
Did it ever?
Why was it passed to them in 2006?
Why was no challenge made at the first 5 year break opportunity in the lease of the Act?

This is when it happened:

http://bovinetb.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/big-bad-wolf.html
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
I'd be very interested to know who has actually been doing the cull? Are they locals who are used to lamping foxes or official marksmen from DEFRA with lots of pieces of paper but little knowledge? You can bet your life there will be many within DEFRA who think all you need to shoot vermin is a qualification in rifle shooting and a FAC. The trouble is, animals like badgers and foxes simply won't enter into the spirit of things and don't actually WANT to be culled! Leave it to the people who know -- the locals on the ground. And remove the ridiculous protected status of an animal that is not rare and has no natural predators
 
I'd be very interested to know who has actually been doing the cull? Are they locals who are used to lamping foxes or official marksmen from DEFRA with lots of pieces of paper but little knowledge? You can bet your life there will be many within DEFRA who think all you need to shoot vermin is a qualification in rifle shooting and a FAC. The trouble is, animals like badgers and foxes simply won't enter into the spirit of things and don't actually WANT to be culled! Leave it to the people who know -- the locals on the ground. And remove the ridiculous protected status of an animal that is not rare and has no natural predators


Quite right Dry Rot. If you hold a Class 1 game management license (stalkers, game keepers etc) then a 'badger' add on had to be applied for and licensed by un-Natural England. Cage trappers were dispatched to prop up numbers. Trapping badgers is very difficult, as many have found out as is dispatching a group in ones and twos.

We're hearing that very much like the RBCT, if the police were upholding the Law of the land, the culls went much more smoothly. For instance in Staffs, the police were drafted in from inner city Manchester and had no truck with the yoghurt knitters of the SW. But in Devon / Cornwall we were told not to interfere with the badgerists trashing traps if we wanted our stacks and livestock to stay secure.

The latest pilot cull in Somerset was a good example of police upholding the law.
Gloucestershire was not. And the hairy head of Brian May hugging two young, smiling police people, pictured on the front page of a local paper recently, was enough to nail the way the wind was blowing... for me anyway.
 

llamedos

New Member
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk...-culls-South/story-20354916-detail/story.html

Read the full article from Andy Robertson, director general of the NFU below

The NFU recognises only too well the devastating impact that TB has on farmers’ businessesaimages.intellitxt.com_ast_adTypes_icon1.png, their families and their livelihoods. This is a disease which is destroying many farming businesses. It is precisely because of this that we have argued so passionately, and for so long, for a policy that deals with the problem of TB in the badger population as an absolutely essential part of the strategy for making England TB free.

The NFU has committed a massive amount of time, resource and energy to help the delivery of the pilot culls in Gloucestershire and Somerset this autumn because TB is the biggest threat to cattle farming in this country. We know only too well that something has to be done to stop the spread of this disease through wildlife and into our cattle herds.

Everyone within the NFU desperately wants to see the policy of culling badgers rolled out more widely and to control the onslaught of this disease in hotspots where TB is out of control. The NFU has led from the front in pushing for the policy, helping implement it and then ultimately overseeing its delivery.

We are committed to delivering effective, safe and humane culls. Most important of all, the badger controls must be able to deliver the ultimate aim of reducing TB in cattle. However, everyone who was closely involved in those pilots is all too aware that rolling the culls out to much bigger areas, such as the whole of Devon, would require a very different approach. The Independent Panel is still considering the results of the pilots, but it would be grossly irresponsible, some would say madness, for anyone to try and run much larger operations under current conditions.

I recognise that this is not going to be the news that many cattle farmers want to hear. The pressure that farmers are under from TB means that no solution can ever be fast enough. If there are only a small number of additional areas in 2014, this will undoubtedly feel too slow, too cautious or both to some. As Director General of the NFU I am absolutely committed to our policy that badger populations have got to be controlled if we are ever going to get on top of TB. However, I make no apology for being open and frank about what is possible, even though it would be easier to make promises that can’t be delivered. Over the last year I have seen the farming industry come together to deliver these culls in the face of high levels of intimidation. It’s important now, more than ever, for the farming industry to be united in its call for the badger population controls to be rolled out wider in areas where TB is rife and for the conditions to change to make this policy deliverable on a wider scale.
 

Dr. Alkathene

Member
Livestock Farmer
Imho there is no need for a 'cull' and all the associated knee jerk media hysterics and soap dodging doley scum bag 'protestors'. Just remove the protected status of Badgers and let anyone with a SGC / FAC shoot them on land they haver permission on. f**k off all the red tape / DEFRA / Natural England morons and let those who shoot or trap foxes, rabbits pigeons, deer etc deal with the Badgers.
 

sean m

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Northants
the problem is once you protect a species somebody has to become responsible for its balance and nobody will,we unfortunately are going to see this in kites,ravens and buzzards before to long, the job should be left with landowners as it always used to be
 

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