Teat dip

[Aircooled]

Plenty use nothing. Ordinary cows don’t seem to need it . Maybe useful during an outbreak.

 

[coomoo]

No 60litre cows here anymore, since dropping the cake 2kg I've lost 5l a cow with 90% of that coming from the high yeilders, they all dropped 15-20 litres each

What cake were they on?

 

[Scholsey]

Had a dodgy batch of Kilco teat dip which kept blocking the teat sprayer nozzles and solenoids, turned out to be the dye hadn’t dissolved fully and Kilco were fully aware just didn’t feel the need to recall the product.

Had 5-6s weeks with very intermittent teat spraying, scc doubled and poor teat condition was noticeable almost straight away and that wasn’t even in the summer.

Saving penny’s can cost you pounds.

 

[Jdunn55]

What cake were they on?

10kg, dropped them to 8kg, I've put them down another 2kg again today

 

[coomoo]

10kg, dropped them to 8kg, I've put them down another 2kg again today

What was the cake breakdown it’s a fair drop in milk for 2kg. So that’s another 2kg off the whole herd or 2kg off the higher yielders

 

[Jdunn55]

What was the cake breakdown it’s a fair drop in milk for 2kg. So that’s another 2kg off the whole herd or 2kg off the higher yielders

It's because their ration isn't balanced now, minerals will all be off, acid buffer is wrong now not to mention energy and protein intakes won't be balanced, would need to get my feed rep to re-ration it but can't be bothered now

Whole herd another 2kg off, I'm going to keep cutting them back this month and next month so by the end of July I'm not going to be feeding anything all being well

 

[Beef farmer]

It's because their ration isn't balanced now, minerals will all be off, acid buffer is wrong now not to mention energy and protein intakes won't be balanced, would need to get my feed rep to re-ration it but can't be bothered now

Whole herd another 2kg off, I'm going to keep cutting them back this month and next month so by the end of July I'm not going to be feeding anything all being well

Feeding nothing to a 9k cow?
I'm feeding 1kg still for 2/3rds of a cow

 

[Jdunn55]

Feeding nothing to a 9k cow?
I'm feeding 1kg still for 2/3rds of a cow

73 and 147 were on track for 12000+ litres,
222, 1026, 34 and 253 were on for 11000
About 10-20 cows in the 9000-10500 ranger

There's no chance of them doing anywhere near that now so I'll just drop the cake off and let them milk 20l a day until they go dry

16kg of grass at 12me is 192mj - 70 for maintenance leaves 122 ÷ 5.5mj/litre = 22 litres so I can't see any point in feeding them cake for that

As far as I'm concerned with cake you either feed it properly or you don't feed it at all?

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

73 and 147 were on track for 12000+ litres,
222, 1026, 34 and 253 were on for 11000
About 10-20 cows in the 9000-10500 ranger

There's no chance of them doing anywhere near that now so I'll just drop the cake off and let them milk 20l a day until they go dry

16kg of grass at 12me is 192mj - 70 for maintenance leaves 122 ÷ 5.5mj/litre = 22 litres so I can't see any point in feeding them cake for that

As far as I'm concerned with cake you either feed it properly or you don't feed it at all?

Why not just give them enough to keep them ticking over?

 

[Jdunn55]

Why not just give them enough to keep them ticking over?

I can't see any point to be honest, they're on the way down now and they're over 100 days calved now so I'm not going to be able to get the milk back so just easier to accept it than fight with it

 

[coomoo]

I can't see any point to be honest, they're on the way down now and they're over 100 days calved now so I'm not going to be able to get the milk back so just easier to accept it than fight with it

Back in calf aswell?

 

[Jdunn55]

Back in calf aswell?

Dunno, I won't cut the cake out comoletely until I finish serving though

I thought cake made conception worse?

 

[Scholsey]

Dunno, I won't cut the cake out comoletely until I finish serving though

I thought cake made conception worse?

Holsteins losing weight or stripping it off their backs is a sure fire way to absorb pregs or hold to twins.

 

[Beef farmer]

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water

 

[Wesley]

A “proper” 10000 litre plus cow (holstein anyway) will milk off her back & end up a wreck. Shouldn’t dry themselves off either. They’d keep milking right up until they calve regardless of cake.

 

[Jdunn55]

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water

What do you mean?
I'm on a cost saving mission, that's partly what this thread was about,
I've scrapped milk recording, looking to get rid of teat dipping, im only hot washing every other morning and only using chemical once a day now when washing, limos are all staying in their dams until sold/weaned.
I only Scrape up every 3 days now as they're not in the yard long so there's hardly any point doing it daily

cake is my single biggest input I would have thought it made sense to try and get rid of that too?
I'm looking at outwintering the spring calved cows this winter and possibly only milk them once a day from September

 

[Jdunn55]

Holsteins losing weight or stripping it off their backs is a sure fire way to absorb pregs or hold to twins.

They're fat friesians so should be fine

 

[Jdunn55]

A “proper” 10000 litre plus cow (holstein anyway) will milk off her back & end up a wreck. Shouldn’t dry themselves off either. They’d keep milking right up until they calve regardless of cake.

I expect they'll be fine, they seem to adjust and drop yield before they do that

 

[coomoo]

What do you mean?
I'm on a cost saving mission, that's partly what this thread was about,
I've scrapped milk recording, looking to get rid of teat dipping, im only hot washing every other morning and only using chemical once a day now when washing, limos are all staying in their dams until sold/weaned.
I only Scrape up every 3 days now as they're not in the yard long so there's hardly any point doing it daily

cake is my single biggest input I would have thought it made sense to try and get rid of that too?
I'm looking at outwintering the spring calved cows this winter and possibly only milk them once a day from September

 

[In the pit]

I see a disaster looming