Telegraph Article About global food crisis

[Henarar]

never ever believe a politician, NEVER

yep quite true, good job we had sense enough to vote a bloody great heap of the useless buggers out of our governance.

 

[J 1177]

My guess is that nothing will change the politicians minds until they start to fear for their own safety.

Yep but by then it will be too late the dozy barstewards think farmers can turn food production on like a tap.

 

[texelburger]

I don't think he will change direction, rather direction will change with a change of leadership, where there is no Carrie or Goldsmith brothers anywhere near the levers of power

Exactly, those two seem to have a certain hold over Boris.

 

[CPF]

The general public are just starting to realise about the cost of living. Food costs and shortages and the costs of white goods .
I’ve got two friends that work for the Council on the refuge collection Service
They have noticed less food and household waste and said they can get extra two villages waste into the lorry
which is making a shortage at the AD plant and incinerator they take it to.

 

[egbert]

Yep I know
but come the start of next winter a lot more fixed energy prices will have come to an end and we will have had another price cap rise so high energy and food prices, cold/hungry people will not take sh1t from government.

As I tried to point out 2-3 weeks ago, our social cohesion is now under considerable threat.
It's like they think scenes like the Arab Spring could never happen here, although we're 35 million mouths over subscribed.

Interestingly, just been reading about Russian bread riots (at the turn of the 1900's I think)

 

[Courier]

SFI will solve all these worries surely?

Just so long as we are not looking for a SPI at the same time

(Sustainable Population Initiative).

 

[Courier]

The general public are just starting to realise about the cost of living. Food costs and shortages and the costs of white goods .
I’ve got two friends that work for the Council on the refuge collection Service
They have noticed less food and household waste and said they can get extra two villages waste into the lorry
which is making a shortage at the AD plant and incinerator they take it to.

That’s a really interesting observation.

Folk buying less crap so producing less refuse.

 

[Courier]

True, lies where told and the truth hurts. But at least we have a democracy and can give them a bloody nose next time

It’s gunna be a long road back….if ever.

 

[Huno]

yep quite true, good job we had sense enough to vote a bloody great heap of the useless buggers out of our governance.

Good point... we didnt really know which Brussels politicians and civil servants were to blame in the past.. Now we bloody well do know them all by name!!

 

[turbo]

we may have just saved ourselves from the extrems of their idea of our future , after the Ukraine conflict , this could have been the last harvest before it was largely irreversible , Boris will be looking at whats happening across the channel ploughing up the enviro strips etc to maximise grain production maybe he will change direction!

They are only catching up with what Boris did last year for us,they removed the greening element of the bps and now the eu are doing it,better late than never I suppose!

 

[DaveGrohl]

That’s a really interesting observation.

Folk buying less crap so producing less refuse.

Yup, lots of interesting little anecdotes around now. Just on that one, isn’t it something like a third of all food we buy gets wasted? Given how much gets wasted in the catering industries it wouldn’t surprise me. Go and stay in a fancy hotel and the truckloads that must get thrown out just at breakfast time is astonishing.

 

[willy]

What we need, is fert prices to stay high and drop our use which In turn leads to lower yields and higher prices.

The world hasn't felt the effect of fert price rises yet. Next year will be interesting.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

What we need, is fert prices to stay high and drop our use which In turn leads to lower yields and higher prices.

The world hasn't felt the effect of fert price rises yet. Next year will be interesting.

Hang on, I thought we had to produce as much as possible for a loss, while enriching all our trading partners?

 

[willy]

We as farmers need to grasp the fact that government is anti farmers per se. But farm subsidies have helped our country's get rich as it devalued food so the general population has had more to spend on other sh!t.

If the government don't think food production is worth subsidising any more, more fool them but we must play them at their own game and reduce inputs and reduce output.

 

[DaveGrohl]

What we need, is fert prices to stay high and drop our use which In turn leads to lower yields and higher prices.

The world hasn't felt the effect of fert price rises yet. Next year will be interesting.

Bingo.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Given this Telegraph article and;
“So the really big question is, is [higher inflation] going to persist or not? Our view is that on the basis of what we’re seeing so far, we don’t think it is.”

Andrew Bailey, Governor Bank of England, 13.05.21

"The risk of recession on both sides of the Atlantic is now very high. Perhaps it is already too late, the inflation genie is out of the bottle and monetary policy needs to generate a recession to drive it out of the system."

Chris Giles, Financial Times 15.04.22

...... I pray that we might see a real shift in society away from cheap and disposable towards a situation where everything has a 'truer' value with respect to the true cost to the planet for it to be produced.
It should pay to care for and mend things.
This could reverse the trend of wealth being collated for the richest. At the moment, everyone is working to enrich those at the top.
There will be a revolution. It is up to governments to decide whether to support the average citizen and make it peaceful.

 

[thesilentone]

We can't keep blaming the Government, they govern with our mandate.

We wanted Brexit, we got it, we didn't want Covid, we got it, we didn't want a war in the Ukraine, we go it.

The ingredients of the problems in the supply chain are global.

The massive increase in demand for goods in Asia, and soon to be Africa is a major part of the problem, not just the Covid hangover.

This will last at least a decade, however, we have to find the positives, and an increase in price for our products will do for a start.

The political problems thrown up by Mr Putin, are already seeing problems in many other Countries such as Sweden, Finland, Kazakhstan, Moldova etc, as we enter into another cold war.

Put it all together, and we have a fair storm brewing.

 

[Courier]

We can't keep blaming the Government, they govern with our mandate.

We wanted Brexit, we got it, we didn't want Covid, we got it, we didn't want a war in the Ukraine, we go it.

The ingredients of the problems in the supply chain are global.

The massive increase in demand for goods in Asia, and soon to be Africa is a major part of the problem, not just the Covid hangover.

This will last at least a decade, however, we have to find the positives, and an increase in price for our products will do for a start.

The political problems thrown up by Mr Putin, are already seeing problems in many other Countries such as Sweden, Finland, Kazakhstan, Moldova etc, as we enter into another cold war.

Put it all together, and we have a fair storm brewing.

I can agree with most of that with the exception of the fact that the “we” who voted this lot in is in fact a minority of voters based on our pseudo-democratic FPTP election system which returns a government which is not proportionally representative of the electorate.
We need PR(STV) before that can happen, until then power will be in the hands of those whom the media support.

 

[thesilentone]

I can agree with most of that with the exception of the fact that the “we” who voted this lot in is in fact a minority of voters based on our pseudo-democratic FPTP election system which returns a government which is not proportionally representative of the electorate.
We need PR(STV) before that can happen, until then power will be in the hands of those whom the media support.

In the last GE, just under 14m voted Tory, and 10.3m voted Labour .

PR sounds good, the reality is, without a majority in the HOC nothing gets done.

However, the point I was trying to make is, we must stop the blame game. Whoever was in power and was dealt the cards the Government has had for the last 3 years, it's a busted flush.

Who knows what the opposition would have done in the same circumstances ?

The reality is what it is, and the future is repairing the gaps and cracks to make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

[7610 super q]

No government has shown any interest in agriculture since the mid 1970's.