The campaign to re join

[capfits]

Anything that in any way and for any reason goes wrong in the next decade or so will be blamed upon Brexit by them. And anything that goes right, regardless of how obvious a link there may be.

Which kinda begs the obvious question,
What will the Brexiters blame if our divorce from the EU turns out to be a crock of sh!t?
It can hardly be the terrible EU can it.

 

[Henarar]

I think lots of leave supporters have said that they think the economy and farming may not be as good at least short term

 

[Henarar]

Which kinda begs the obvious question,
What will the Brexiters blame if our divorce from the EU turns out to be a crock of sh!t?
It can hardly be the terrible EU can it.

that will be because we spent 50 years in the eu and should never have joined

 

[Henarar]

There will be no way of telling if we would have been better off had the vote been to remain as we have no way of knowing what would have happened
I think if the vote had been to remain by now the UK would be at war with France as we would no longer be able to put up with being in the eu with a constantly angry place like France.
far fetched you may think but there is no way you can prove me wrong

 

[le bon paysan]

There will be no way of telling if we would have been better off had the vote been to remain as we have no way of knowing what would have happened
I think if the vote had been to remain by now the UK would be at war with France as we would no longer be able to put up with being in the eu with a constantly angry place like France.
far fetched you may think but there is no way you can prove me wrong

You can't prove a negative. All proof is evidentiary, all evidence is a positive.

 

[Danllan]

Which kinda* begs the obvious question,
What will the Brexiters blame if our divorce from the EU turns out to be a crock of sh!t?
It can hardly be the terrible EU can it.

Quite right, clearly there will be some short or perhaps even medium-term things that could be put at the door of the EU, some out of spite, some from being tied to it or bound by it for so long. But certainly by the end of the decade and beyond anything wrong will be down to domestic cock-ups and should be blamed appropriately.


*'kinda'..., awful! You're writing as The Donald speaks...

You can't prove a negative. All proof is evidentiary, all evidence is a positive.

Hmm, if you can demonstrate that a box is empty you have proven that an elephant is not in it.

 

[Mek]

As far as I remember the uk was at best “in the doldrums” when we virtually begged to be part of the common market. There had been various “ I’m backing Britain campaigns “ and in my opinion the UK thrived after joining the common market. Now admittedly the common market has morphed into the EU but the UK is still a major player. We have peace and prosperity and in my opinion a really good deal as influential members of the EU. We will never get another deal as good as the one we are about to walk away from. I also believe that we will regret leaving because apart from losing all the industry we had 50 years ago very little has changed in the country , so we will go back to the struggle we had before teaming up with Europe.

 

[le bon paysan]

Quite right, clearly there will be some short or perhaps even medium-term things that could be put at the door of the EU, some out of spite, some from being tied to it or bound by it for so long. But certainly by the end of the decade and beyond anything wrong will be down to domestic cock-ups and should be blamed appropriately.


*'kinda'..., awful! You're writing as The Donald speaks...



Hmm, if you can demonstrate that a box is empty you have proven that an elephant is not in it.

Yes, you have a physical box.

 

[yin ewe]

As far as I remember the uk was at best “in the doldrums” when we virtually begged to be part of the common market. There had been various “ I’m backing Britain campaigns “ and in my opinion the UK thrived after joining the common market. Now admittedly the common market has morphed into the EU but the UK is still a major player. We have peace and prosperity and in my opinion a really good deal as influential members of the EU. We will never get another deal as good as the one we are about to walk away from. I also believe that we will regret leaving because apart from losing all the industry we had 50 years ago very little has changed in the country , so we will go back to the struggle we had before teaming up with Europe.

If it had remained a 'common market' I think we would still be a member of it. The fact that it has morphed into the EU is the problem. Plenty of countries around the world trade freely without political unions.

 

[Danllan]

As far as I remember the uk was at best “in the doldrums” when we virtually begged to be part of the common market. There had been various “ I’m backing Britain campaigns “ and in my opinion the UK thrived after joining the common market. Now admittedly the common market has morphed into the EU but the UK is still a major player. We have peace and prosperity and in my opinion a really good deal as influential members of the EU. We will never get another deal as good as the one we are about to walk away from. I also believe that we will regret leaving because apart from losing all the industry we had 50 years ago very little has changed in the country , so we will go back to the struggle we had before teaming up with Europe.

You wouldn't say that having rather left-wing socialist Labour governments shafted the country, and that Mrs T's governments were the cure? The EEC / EU was coincident, and free trade helped too, but we were paying an awful lot in at that point which, then, was very close to negating any trade benefits.

Peace in Europe being down to the EU is boll*cks, NATO underwritten by the US is the truth there. And your 'good deal' really centres on trade alone, and doesn't take in to account what many of us - most in the Referendum - saw as negatives to EU membership.

Economies change, from heavy industry the UK moved to services, who knows what's next? And, anyway, tell us how being in the EU would encourage industrial re-growth here, when all the evidence is that it has done the opposite with the full knowledge of and encouragement from the EU / EC.

Yes, you have a physical box.

Without an elephant...

 

[le bon paysan]

You wouldn't say that having rather left-wing socialist Labour governments shafted the country, and that Mrs T's governments were the cure? The EEC / EU was coincident, and free trade helped too, but we were paying an awful lot in at that point which, then, was very close to negating any trade benefits.

Peace in Europe being down to the EU is boll*cks, NATO underwritten by the US is the truth there. And your 'good deal' really centres on trade alone, and doesn't take in to account what many of us - most in the Referendum - saw as negatives to EU membership.

Economies change, from heavy industry the UK moved to services, who knows what's next? And, anyway, tell us how being in the EU would encourage industrial re-growth here, when all the evidence is that it has done the opposite with the full knowledge of and encouragement from the EU / EC.


Without an elephant...

Yes , a physical box and elephant

 

[Hindsight]

It certainly is not in my interest to fight against a successful economy, so I will do my personal best to help in any way, however little that may be.
However I suspect our economy will slow down compared to the rest of Europe and when this happens the clamour will start.
If, as I suspect, a trade deal with the USA does not go well for UK farmers and Europe reverts to its protectionist history, we may well see UK farming and industry being nearly unanimous in its pleading to the government to reapply.
However I would not support such a move as it would not be possible without embracing the Euro, which would be a disaster

Ah the special membership deal we had. Hey ho.

 

[Danllan]

Yes , a physical box and elephant

No elephant.

 

[le bon paysan]

No elephant.

Exactly, because the box is empty.

 

[Danllan]

Exactly, because the box is empty.

Which means that it has been proven that an elephant is not in it.

 

[Hindsight]

Exactly, because the box is empty.

Which means that it has been proven that an elephant is not in it.

Bit confused lads, what has a sofa got to do with UK rejoining the EU.

https://elephantinabox.co/

 

[caveman]

Bit confused lads, what has a sofa got to do with UK rejoining the EU.

https://elephantinabox.co/

Something to hide behind?

 

[Mek]

You wouldn't say that having rather left-wing socialist Labour governments shafted the country, and that Mrs T's governments were the cure? The EEC / EU was coincident, and free trade helped too, but we were paying an awful lot in at that point which, then, was very close to negating any trade benefits.

Peace in Europe being down to the EU is boll*cks, NATO underwritten by the US is the truth there. And your 'good deal' really centres on trade alone, and doesn't take in to account what many of us - most in the Referendum - saw as negatives to EU membership.

Economies change, from heavy industry the UK moved to services, who knows what's next? And, anyway, tell us how being in the EU would encourage industrial re-growth here, when all the evidence is that it has done the opposite with the full knowledge of and encouragement from the EU / EC.

Right,these are my opinions and beliefs and I’m not trying to present them as facts.
I wouldn’t say that left wing and socialist governments have shafted the country and Thatchers government was the cure. I would say that all relatively modern governments have shafted the country in a process that was started by Thatcher and blamed it all on the EU.When she set out to break the unions she threw the baby out with the bath water and broke the countries heavy manufacturing, the steelworks,shipbuilding,car manufacturing, etc.etc. She went instead in favour of the country moving to services all the while buoyed up by the revenues from North Sea oil. To my mind the nations wealth and heritage is based on industry. Services while being lucrative are transient ,a service company can switch its computers off in London on a Friday night and switch them on in Paris,Frankfurt or Dublin on a Monday morning with no noticeable blip in service. I recently had to contact a financial company that has always been based in Edinburgh only to find that they had moved to Dublin. No fanfares ,no razzmatazz,they had just gone. I’m not saying staying in the EU would encourage industrial regrowth ,that ship has sailed and it’s not returning to port.

I do believe being a member of the EU has helped with peace. NATO is undoubtedly a deterrent to acts of aggression from countries outside of NATO. But when countries are intertwined socially,politically, scientifically economically in fact almost any kind of “ally” as they are in the EU they are less inclined to war amongst themselves.

All the good in the country is not down to the EU just as all the bad is not down to the EU. As I stated in a previous post the country has prospered as a member of the EU not in spite of it , both economically and culturally . The partnership and alliances made within the EU have occurred because of membership. Once we leave the EU we will not be allies but competitors.

 

[Henarar]

Hardly

 

[caveman]

Being in the EU, is like buying an old cottage and endlessly increasing the mortgage and selling off bits of the garden in order to buy wallpaper to cover the cracks, whilst the foundations are gradually rotting and the damp keeps seeping through the walls.
Might look pretty and chocolate box every now and then when the sunshine.