The core offer

[Walterp]

Two simple and related points about farm income support, worth making for those who permit their prejudices to blind their logic.

Local authorities across England have either effectively become insolvent this year (Northamptonshire, to be followed by East Sussex) or are formulating 'core offer' budgets - limited to carrying out legally-enforceable duties - to forestall insolvency.

The two points are:

1. the harbingers are Conservative-run, which will reprise the destruction of the myth of Tory economic competence once again, and hence shove the pendulum of 'first past the post' UK politics well into the red;

2. it is only 'forestall' - councils’ collective funding shortfall will reach nearly £6bn by next year.

Obviously, in the wider view, the 'core offer' will not, in future, be able to include farm income support of any description.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Two simple and related points about farm income support, worth making for those who permit their prejudices to blind their logic.

Local authorities across England have either effectively become insolvent this year (Northamptonshire, to be followed by East Sussex) or are formulating 'core offer' budgets - limited to carrying out legally-enforceable duties - to forestall insolvency.

The two points are:

1. the harbingers are Conservative-run, which will reprise the destruction of the myth of Tory economic competence once again, and hence shove the pendulum of 'first past the post' UK politics well into the red;

2. it is only 'forestall' - councils’ collective funding shortfall will reach nearly £6bn by next year.

Obviously, in the wider view, the 'core offer' will not, in future, be able to include farm income support of any description.

You need to move away from the idea that it's income support. They are obbessed with the environment and all that goes with it
Payments will continue on that line , thats why the dig at Dyson carries no flesh as his land needs looking after like everyone else's does

 

[Poorbuthappy]

I thought you were arguing for support a few days ago Walter?

 

[endeavour]

But the wind has changed since then Poorbut happy

 

[Osca]

I wonder whether the Tory councils are the ones that realise the books don't balance and are taking appropriate action? Maybe it's the councils with a more socialist or liberal attitude which think the public purse is bottomless and run the whole show into the ground?

Don't know, but it would accord with past experience - I mean, look how Mrs Thatcher saved us from the previous Labour incompetence. And I say that as one who would be more likely to vote Labour, if they were competent and trustworthy...

 

[Farfrae]

2. it is only 'forestall' - councils’ collective funding shortfall will reach nearly £6bn by next year.

Chickenfeed, The House of Lords economic affairs committee revealed evidence the student loan book would grow to over £1 trillion over the next 25 years most of which will be unpaid debt that will have to be written off.

I mean, look how Mrs Thatcher saved us from the previous Labour incompetence. .

Mrs Thatcher was a Tory spiv who flogged of most of the assets owned by UK PLC on the cheap to her mates in the city. She gambled with many young lives in the Falklands to save her own neck.

 

[wasted years]

On the news yesterday that HM Govt spent 1.2 billion to increase the number of children walking to school.
The result?
Less children are walking to school than before.
I am not worrying about the 2,4 billion that gets put into BPS.
It is exceptional value for money.

 

[icanshootwell]

Chickenfeed, The House of Lords economic affairs committee revealed evidence the student loan book would grow to over £1 trillion over the next 25 years most of which will be unpaid debt that will have to be written off.



Mrs Thatcher was a Tory spiv who flogged of most of the assets owned by UK PLC on the cheap to her mates in the city. She gambled with many young lives in the Falklands to save her own neck.

With number quotes like that, you could be the next Diane Abbot.

Never mind Maggie and the Falklands, what about Blair,s illegal war.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

 

[Fallowfield]

I wonder whether the Tory councils are the ones that realise the books don't balance and are taking appropriate action? Maybe it's the councils with a more socialist or liberal attitude which think the public purse is bottomless and run the whole show into the ground?

Don't know, but it would accord with past experience - I mean, look how Mrs Thatcher saved us from the previous Labour incompetence. And I say that as one who would be more likely to vote Labour, if they were competent and trustworthy...

'look how Mrs Thatcher saved us from the previous Labour incompetence.'

Thatcher came to power just as north sea oil was coming on stream. She used the income from that to fund tax cuts.

Her economic legacy is the deindustrialization of the UK and the selling off of council housing. We are now having to live with the consequences.

 

[Osca]

Tax cuts are hardly the relevant part of her strategy. Anything she did to save us from financial collapse could also have been done by the previous government; or perhaps it could have devised some other course of action to stop the dissolution - but it did not. I was only a kid at the time but I remember my (working class, hard-working) parents' unease as the country edged nearer the brink and those in power pre-Thatcher gave us nothing but empty words. To be fair, the earlier Conservative government led by Heath was arguably worse still.

The de-industrialisation - I think that was coming anyway, as goods could be got cheaper abroad, whilst our own unions basically shat in their own nest and held us all to ransom, having become too strong and having, as their focus, their own members' well-being, not the well being of other working people or the country as a whole.

The council house thing is interesting. I think the whole system of how council homes are let, is - and probably always was - deeply flawed. I suspect, from my own experience of homelessness, that those relatively desirable council houses which were sold out of the system, were never actually available to those who needed them after the first tenants moved in. Instead they were passed, parent to child, down the generations, with in some cases quite affluent tenants subsidised by the rest of us, including those of us on low wages, struggling to rent privately. Meanwhile these families were themselves trapped - they had it too easy - if they moved, they would lose a good house and would have to pay a whole lot more for comparable quality. There was a lot to be said for releasing them from this trap and giving them the incentive to go out and take proper responsibility for their lives.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Mrs Thatcher was a Tory spiv who flogged of most of the assets owned by UK PLC on the cheap to her mates in the city. She gambled with many young lives in the Falklands to save her own neck.

Those young lives weren't just gambled, but lost. However, it is the soldier's lot to kill the enemy or die trying.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Never mind Maggie and the Falklands, what about Blair,s illegal war.

Wars plural. The man was directly responsible for British forces deployment to both Iraq and Afghanistan.

The legality of them bothers me not at all. The complete lack of effect is my issue. I say lack of effect, but the HRA and resultant claims against British forces made the Blair family, via Cherie Booth's legal efforts, exceptionally wealthy.

 

[Pond digger]

Chickenfeed, The House of Lords economic affairs committee revealed evidence the student loan book would grow to over £1 trillion over the next 25 years most of which will be unpaid debt that will have to be written off.



Mrs Thatcher was a Tory spiv who flogged of most of the assets owned by UK PLC on the cheap to her mates in the city. She gambled with many young lives in the Falklands to save her own neck.

What would you have done about the Falklands? Would you also have been a Hitler appeaser?

 

[Pasty]

The Falklands is British territory with a population who (as I understand) wish to remain under British foreign law and subjects of the queen. If we had just let it go, where does it end? The job of the forces is to defend our people and our territory wherever it is and god bless them for doing that.

Anyway. Why does Walt keep posting non Ag threads in an Ag category? Mods must be getting tired of moving them by now.

 

[Pond digger]

Anyway. Why does Walt keep posting non Ag threads in an Ag category? Mods must be getting tired of moving them by now.

Arrogance.

 

[JP1]

The Falklands is British territory with a population who (as I understand) wish to remain under British foreign law and subjects of the queen. If we had just let it go, where does it end? The job of the forces is to defend our people and our territory wherever it is and god bless them for doing that.

Anyway. Why does Walt keep posting non Ag threads in an Ag category? Mods must be getting tired of moving them by now.

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