The Governments assault on livestock farming.

[Jackov Altraids]

The unqualified ban on live exports, the continual mal-apportioned blame for carbon emissions, an ELMS scheme that discriminates against pasture amongst other things, is this all due to lobbying by animal rights extremists or is there a real policy in Whitehall that they think there will be a benefit when our industry declines.
Without us pesky livestock farmers there will be more houses and developments. They will simultaneously gain kudos for rewilding and tree planting.
It will also reduce the cost of ethanol for bio-fuels and straw etc, for their power stations without our purchasing competition.
This is not what would happen in reality but you can imagine it as a thought process for some desk jockeys......

 

[czechmate]

The unqualified ban on live exports, the continual mal-apportioned blame for carbon emissions, an ELMS scheme that discriminates against pasture amongst other things, is this all due to lobbying by animal rights extremists or is there a real policy in Whitehall that they think there will be a benefit when our industry declines.
Without us pesky livestock farmers there will be more houses and developments. They will simultaneously gain kudos for rewilding and tree planting.
It will also reduce the cost of ethanol for bio-fuels and straw etc, for their power stations without our purchasing competition.
This is not what would happen in reality but you can imagine it as a thought process for some desk jockeys......

You could turn to another trade
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

You missed out ban on spreading muck

Time to keep you head down and see what happens I guess

 

[egbert]

Just what has been bothering me lately.

What really concerns me is how it is affecting youngsters coming into the industry.
It's a hateful thing gov are pushing...demonise a minority to mask yer own sins.

 

[Ysgythan]

The unqualified ban on live exports, the continual mal-apportioned blame for carbon emissions, an ELMS scheme that discriminates against pasture amongst other things, is this all due to lobbying by animal rights extremists or is there a real policy in Whitehall that they think there will be a benefit when our industry declines.
Without us pesky livestock farmers there will be more houses and developments. They will simultaneously gain kudos for rewilding and tree planting.
It will also reduce the cost of ethanol for bio-fuels and straw etc, for their power stations without our purchasing competition.
This is not what would happen in reality but you can imagine it as a thought process for some desk jockeys......

And Brexit

 

[Jackov Altraids]

And Brexit

Brexit has simply lifted the veil of blame. Consecutive governments have kept payments to English farmers to a minimum and blamed it and rafts of regulation on the EU.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we can't win the argument of how much the country benefits from livestock farming if we don't know the real motivation of those conspiring against us.
I think we are proving that the whole UK meat is bad for emissions is wrong so the argument shifted to "livestock use 80% of land in the UK which should be reduced".
Proving that 80% of of land depends on livestock to function sustainably won't succeed either if that isn't their real argument.
Is it actually possible to be in anyway sustainable without the involvement of livestock?

I feel that the future is being looked at like the anatomy of a body with various sector seen as vital organs. They seemed to have forgotten that none of those organs are much good without blood. Livestock is the lifeblood of soils,nature and our future.

 

[Sid]

The unqualified ban on live exports, the continual mal-apportioned blame for carbon emissions, an ELMS scheme that discriminates against pasture amongst other things, is this all due to lobbying by animal rights extremists or is there a real policy in Whitehall that they think there will be a benefit when our industry declines.
Without us pesky livestock farmers there will be more houses and developments. They will simultaneously gain kudos for rewilding and tree planting.
It will also reduce the cost of ethanol for bio-fuels and straw etc, for their power stations without our purchasing competition.
This is not what would happen in reality but you can imagine it as a thought process for some desk jockeys......

It won't happen because in the world according to Clive we can all connect more directly with government than ever before.
TFF is the saviour!



Or was that just for Arable?

 

[kfpben]

Well at least Carrie ‘Sack Eustice’ Johnson hasn’t got her way.

We’re not alone- the Dutch, Danes, Kiwis all think their government is against them.

‘Regen ag’ is bringing the conversation about the importance of livestock back into the debate. Even if it is a bit frustrating for farms that have always practiced good quality mixed farming!

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Well at least Carrie ‘Sack Eustice’ Johnson hasn’t got her way.

We’re not alone- the Dutch, Danes, Kiwis all think their government is against them.

‘Regen ag’ is bringing the conversation about the importance of livestock back into the debate. Even if it is a bit frustrating for farms that have always practiced good quality mixed farming!

I don't want to think governments are against livestock farming, but I do think we have to realise that they we now have a generation of politicians with no inherent knowledge of basic agriculture. Their views are then disproportionately skewed by lobbyists.
Maybe extolling the virtues of good quality mixed farming under the fashionable brand of Re-Gen ag is exactly what we should all support.

 

[Muddyroads]

I’m a bit more positive about things. Since the latest climate report there seems to be a lot more clear blame on fossil fuels. It’s such a simple message - if we dig up and burn carbon based fuels, we put more carbon into the atmosphere - that the vast majority of people understand it and almost feel relieved that they can carry on eating meat with a clear conscience.
The vocal few are now starting to shoot themselves in their collective feet. Reports of the great unwashed climate protestors in London leavings tons of plastic waste in their wake, Emma Thompson flying thousands of miles to support them, the insulation protestors causing pollution by stopping the M25 etc.
We need to keep pushing the positive message wherever we can.

 

[Ysgythan]

I don't want to think governments are against livestock farming, but I do think we have to realise that they we now have a generation of politicians with no inherent knowledge of basic agriculture. Their views are then disproportionately skewed by lobbyists.
Maybe extolling the virtues of good quality mixed farming under the fashionable brand of Re-Gen ag is exactly what we should all support.

If the tractor botherers all start mixed farming again you won’t need livestock in the West or North.

 

[Woolless]

If the tractor botherers all start mixed farming again you won’t need livestock in the West or North.

They'll need a migrant, peasant workforce to look after them though.

 

[Bill the Bass]

The unqualified ban on live exports, the continual mal-apportioned blame for carbon emissions, an ELMS scheme that discriminates against pasture amongst other things, is this all due to lobbying by animal rights extremists or is there a real policy in Whitehall that they think there will be a benefit when our industry declines.
Without us pesky livestock farmers there will be more houses and developments. They will simultaneously gain kudos for rewilding and tree planting.
It will also reduce the cost of ethanol for bio-fuels and straw etc, for their power stations without our purchasing competition.
This is not what would happen in reality but you can imagine it as a thought process for some desk jockeys......

Imagine? It’s happening. The Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) is advising government to do exactly this and who is on the panel? The sustainability director of Drax amongst others.

I think the beef industry in particular as we know it today will change more in the next 5 years than it did after BSE in 1996.

 

[Henarar]

demonise a minority to mask yer own sins.

would be called out in no uncertain terms if it were other minorities and yet in this case it goes on every day and those in power at best don't give a feck at worst support or as you say initiate it,
even those at the top of our own union support it to a degree

 

[Vader]

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we can't win the argument of how much the country benefits from livestock farming if we don't know the real motivation of those conspiring against us.
I think we are proving that the whole UK meat is bad for emissions is wrong so the argument shifted to "livestock use 80% of land in the UK which should be reduced".
Proving that 80% of of land depends on livestock to function sustainably won't succeed either if that isn't their real argument.
Is it actually possible to be in anyway sustainable without the involvement of livestock?

I feel that the future is being looked at like the anatomy of a body with various sector seen as vital organs. They seemed to have forgotten that none of those organs are much good without blood. Livestock is the lifeblood of soils,nature and our future.

Need our union to be fighting our corner, oh wait....

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I don't want to think governments are against livestock farming, but I do think we have to realise that they we now have a generation of politicians with no inherent knowledge of basic agriculture. Their views are then disproportionately skewed by lobbyists.
Maybe extolling the virtues of good quality mixed farming under the fashionable brand of Re-Gen ag is exactly what we should all support.

they have all come through universities too, that had probably started to push the Woke Agenda too while they were studying there, and also never really got to mix with anyone practical socially either.

 

[Henarar]

https://www.facebook.com/112518027152942/posts/393122699092472

 

[Ysgythan]

They'll need a migrant, peasant workforce to look after them though.

Thank you Norman Tebbit…

 

[primmiemoo]

they have all come through universities too, that had probably started to push the Woke Agenda too while they were studying there, and also never really got to mix with anyone practical socially either.

I think I have to agree, albeit reluctantly. Not all universities are so tainted, but the Russell Group universities vetted by one of the youngsters in my orbit who's clever enough to have had their pick of them, were turned down because of the gut instinct felt on interaction with a cross section of of their students. The origins of these students didn't matter. It was the collective mindsets.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

This is why we have conspiracy theories - so the real conspiracies can get momentum

It's political suicide to confiscate land (these days) so the easiest way to drive farmers off the land is to drive them slowly out business, in the name of social justice and environmentalism and God knows what else

I don't even enter into the argument anymore, the truth is really wasted on many people.

Work on your circle of control, that is to say work on your own business and let everyone else tear into each other - society is in turmoil - rise above it