The "I`ve got it" thread...

[Chopsy Varmint]

On a serious note, obesity is not particularly high up on the covid league table, so I'm not sure the fascination with it is warranted.

Ethnicity charts - see title

Your chart proves my point. It may be covid deaths, but many of those underlying health conditions for which covid was the final straw are caused by being fat.

Obesity, being overweight, and a lack of exercise is a primary cause of diabetes, the four big cancers, hypertensive, cardiac and ischaemic heart diseases, pulmonary diseases, liver disease. Add all those up on your chart and see what you get.

75% of adults in the UK aged 45-74 are overweight or obese. That's a big problem for the NHS and society as a whole when you think of the impact on NHS interventions, work hours lost due to illness, and welfare payments because people are signed off sick.

Here's the latest briefing to parliament on the state of the nation's fatness:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03336/SN03336.pdf

 

[arcobob]

Yep, and what's the solution?

Harsher triage according to capacity? Stop treating old age illnesses other than palliatively? No cancer treatment for people over 70?

Or make people pay for their treatment, even if not the whole amount. £40 for a GP consultation, same as the vets maybe...

Unfortunately the calibre of people we need in government to sort it out would never stand for parliament.

My GP wouldn`t get out of bed for£40. Why should he, he doesn`t need the money?

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

My GP wouldn`t get out of bed for£40.

Mine neither. The £40 was more of a token payment from the patient that might make them think whether there was anything they could do to fix themselves first.

 

[Lowland1]

Was MT`s family greengrocers or just grocers?

Green grocer

Oakham or Uppingham?

The better one

 

[Lowland1]

Mine neither. The £40 was more of a token payment from the patient that might make them think whether there was anything they could do to fix themselves first.

Even a tenner would be fine something going into the coffers and something to make people think that there is a price for the service.

Ageing Britain: two-fifths of NHS budget is spent on over-65s | Health | The Guardian

Data produced for the Guardian shows how health spending is split across age groups, with costs set to rise as people live longer

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Charlie Gill]

Your chart proves my point. It may be covid deaths, but many of those underlying health conditions for which covid was the final straw are caused by being fat.

Obesity, being overweight, and a lack of exercise is a primary cause of diabetes, the four big cancers, hypertensive, cardiac and ischaemic heart diseases, pulmonary diseases, liver disease. Add all those up on your chart and see what you get.

75% of adults in the UK aged 45-74 are overweight or obese. That's a big problem for the NHS and society as a whole when you think of the impact on NHS interventions, work hours lost due to illness, and welfare payments because people are signed off sick.

Here's the latest briefing to parliament on the state of the nation's fatness:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03336/SN03336.pdf

You may well be right, all 120 odd k of people who have died may have been obese at some point in their life. Who knows? I can only point to current ons stats and it seems obesity is a recognised comorbidity but not as significant as being portrayed here. Old age is what you want to avoid.

 

[tepapa]

You only need to see how people react to the bill from vets for medical treatment to pets to highlight how little people realise what health care actually costs. But since they don't directly pick up the medial bills themselves they're happy to live life at the expense of the NHS for treatment

 

[essex man]

You may well be right, at one point in their lives, all 120 odd k of people who have died may have been obese at some point in their life. Who knows? I can only point to current ons stats and it seems obesity is a recognised comorbidity but not as significant as being portrayed here. Old age is what you want to avoid.

C. 600k mostly old/sick/old and sick people have died since last march.
Quite a lot of them were fat.

 

[Charlie Gill]

C. 600k mostly old/sick/old and sick people have died since last march.
Quite a lot of them were fat.

28%

 

[arcobob]

You only need to see how people react to the bill from vets for medical treatment to pets to highlight how little people realise what health care actually costs. But since they don't directly pick up the medial bills themselves they're happy to live life at the expense of the NHS for treatment

More than a little truth in that

 

[Lowland1]

You may well be right, at one point in their lives, all 120 odd k of people who have died may have been obese at some point in their life. Who knows? I can only point to current ons stats and it seems obesity is a recognised comorbidity but not as significant as being portrayed here. Old age is what you want to avoid.

I would beg to differ I think it’s a major factor. If Covid just affected the old it would be far easier to deal with but people haven’t helped themselves.

Obesity, Race/Ethnicity, and COVID-19

Having obesity increases risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

It’s from America but I think it applies to the UK

 

[Charlie Gill]

I would beg to differ I think it’s a major factor. If Covid just affected the old it would be far easier to deal with but people haven’t helped themselves.

Obesity, Race/Ethnicity, and COVID-19

Having obesity increases risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

It’s from America but I think it applies to the UK

Similar % attributable as the % of obese people over here according to Chopsy's pdf. There is a link but I still don't get the fascination.

 

[czechmate]

Similar % attributable as the % of obese people over here according to Chopsy's pdf. There is a link but I still don't get the fascination.

It’s what the WHO said

 

[Charlie Gill]

It’s what the WHO said

I missed it, what did they say?

 

[czechmate]

I missed it, what did they say?

obesity

UK's Covid death toll fuelled by its obesity problem, say experts Britain was found to have the third highest death rate in the world, and the fourth highest obesity rate ByLaura Donnelly, HEALTH EDITOR3 March 2021 • 10:00pm The WHO has said the 'correlation between obesity and coronavirus...

thefarmingforum.co.uk

 

[Lowland1]

As a vegetable grower I really hate fat people. There said it.
Then I remembered potatoes make chips. I'm like an accomplice.

 

[czechmate]

As a vegetable grower I really hate fat people. There said it.

Yep.
And significant that the poster who lives off sweet production loves vaccine

 

[Hindsight]

Good! You can't have an age cut-off for treatment, that's just mental. Imagine going in on your 70th birthday and being told the computer says no!

On a serious note, obesity is not particularly high up on the covid league table, so I'm not sure the fascination with it is warranted.

Ethnicity charts - see title

Logans Run. Was bit earlier than 70 young man!!

 

[Princess Pooper]

So what about those of us who are of working age, (and still in full time work) but chronically ill but not self inflicted? In the last 12 months I have had 3 GP referrals, 7 consultant phone or face to face appointments, 3 out-patient hospital procedures and two eye hospital eye referrals. That was actually quite a good year for me. I'm awaiting another procedure too. We are to get taxed for illness now are we? Until 2015 I probably didn't bother my GP more than once in 8 or 9 years.

And nothing to do with obesity, smoking or any other lifestyle.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Logans Run. Was bit earlier than 70 young man!!

Ok. I've moved you to the mental group