The "I`ve got it" thread...

[Hindsight]

Yet I watch these sad souls who can't find work ...........

Maybe -- but here it is in the article why... Well maybe in 2021 they will train up some locals???

About 5,500 seasonal workers arrive on farms in England each year to help during the festive period, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
The type of skills turkey production requires are not available among UK workers, the BPC has previously said.
Workers need to have been trained specifically in Watok - Welfare of Animals at Time of Killing - and licensed to kill or slaughter animals, which means holding a certificate of competence from the Food Standards Agency.

 

[bobk]

Maybe -- but here it is in the article why... Well maybe in 2021 they will train up some locals???

About 5,500 seasonal workers arrive on farms in England each year to help during the festive period, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
The type of skills turkey production requires are not available among UK workers, the BPC has previously said.
Workers need to have been trained specifically in Watok - Welfare of Animals at Time of Killing - and licensed to kill or slaughter animals, which means holding a certificate of competence from the Food Standards Agency.

Thought is was all automatic nowadays , apart from hanging them on the hooks

 

[kiwi pom]

That'll be me making that claim then .. please read it properly.

Wasn't a nurse but our youngest... and she was tested the 2nd and got the results the 11th.

My missus is a nurse tested regularly at work and the results come through early the next morning usually at 6AM ish.

Apologies, I got it mixed up.
The delayed result of your youngest prevented your wife from working though?

 

[JeepJeep]

Apologies, I got it mixed up.
The delayed result of your youngest prevented your wife from working though?

Yup, she had to follow the isolation rules even though she works with Covid patients...

If it was a negative early on they'd both be good to go. The Result came towards the end of the youngest 10 days. Missus still had to do another 4.

 

[kiwi pom]

Xmas at any cost ffs

Travel rules changed for Christmas turkey farm workers

Seasonal workers are now able to work during quarantine to ensure demand for Christmas is met.

www.bbc.co.uk

Very little control at the border but force everyone else to stay locked in their house and not work any more, see their business fail etc.
Sounds about right.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Very little control at the border but force everyone else to stay locked in their house and not work any more, see their business fail etc.
Sounds about right.

No, the problem - in England at least - is too many folks are not staying locked in their house at all. Far too many people out and about, if they restricted supermarket to single shoppers again unless require a helper due to disability etc it would help. Infection rates climbing sharply still in too many areas, including my own.

 

[DrWazzock]

The first thing that closes every time is our doctors surgery due to staff self isolating etc.
Sometimes makes you wonder what it’s there for.
Maybe that’s a bit harsh and ungrateful but it is supposed to be a health service designed to cope with outbreaks of disease is it not?

 

[jendan]

No, the problem - in England at least - is too many folks are not staying locked in their house at all. Far too many people out and about, if they restricted supermarket to single shoppers again unless require a helper due to disability etc it would help. Infection rates climbing sharply still in too many areas, including my own.

This type of lockdown will never achieve anything when the schools are still open.

 

[kiwi pom]

No, the problem - in England at least - is too many folks are not staying locked in their house at all. Far too many people out and about, if they restricted supermarket to single shoppers again unless require a helper due to disability etc it would help. Infection rates climbing sharply still in too many areas, including my own.

Have you seen the houses most people in the UK live in. Being locked in to them isn't much difference to prison. It's fine if you're in the countryside, have plenty of space and can continue your business like many TFF members can but for most it's not flash. These people then see that schools are still open (they probably should be) and the borders basically have no controls and they think, why should I be a prisoner, it's going to make bugger all difference.

 

[DrWazzock]

This type of lockdown will never achieve anything when the schools are still open.

Absolutely right. Pointless closing non essential shops while keeping mega mixing super spreading schools open.
But people think they can defy nature. They can’t.

 

[Hindsight]

No, the problem - in England at least - is too many folks are not staying locked in their house at all. Far too many people out and about, if they restricted supermarket to single shoppers again unless require a helper due to disability etc it would help. Infection rates climbing sharply still in too many areas, including my own.

Well PP of course there not staying in their houses - unless they are old and infirm! Retired and wealthy. Or solitary farmers!!!

Folk are going to work to keep wolf from door, as not everyone can work to from home with a laptop and Zoom/Teams, nor be furloughed.

Construction, binmen, Teachers, farm workers etc. Jees if they all became furloughed then you would get your true lockdown - but drive the country further to the abyss. Bad enough as it is.

And Schools open and it is a legal requirement to send ones kids to school. So pretty much most under age of 50 with kids are on the move and those over 50 who have to work and are not retired on healthy pensions are on the move. In meantime, as I see it, the Tory government has decided, as a token gesture, to bankrupt small specialist retailers, publicans, restaurant owners, beauticians, and barbers. But allow TESCO/ASDA/JS/MOrrie/lLIDL to prosper. Bizzare.

And despite all the tosh from government in August about kids not getting covid that is in my view boloxx when it comes to secondary schools. I now know of several folk who have had to self isolate and or their kids sent home to self isolate as year group / form bubbles. And have caught Covid - thank goodness so far all I understand have survived and had the bad dose of flu type Covid.

So my uneducated observation Covid is circulating quite nicely in the secondary school system, the hospital health system and every so often breaches into a care home or two.

Well there you go, off loaded that. Best wishes PP, keep safe and tucked up with your cows. I shall think of you as I get my Xmas Stiltons.

 

[DrWazzock]

Have you seen the houses most people in the UK live in. Being locked in to them isn't much difference to prison. It's fine if you're in the countryside, have plenty of space and can continue your business like many TFF members can but for most it's not flash. These people then see that schools are still open (they probably should be) and the borders basically have no controls and they think, why should I be a prisoner, it's going to make bugger all difference.

Having seen a lot of the streets people live in I am not sure why they are that keen to get out of their houses.

 

[DrWazzock]

Well PP of course there not staying in their houses - unless they are old and infirm! Retired and wealthy. Or solitary farmers!!!

Folk are going to work to keep wolf from door, as not everyone can work to from home with a laptop and Zoom/Teams, nor be furloughed.

Construction, binmen, Teachers, farm workers etc. Jees if they all became furloughed then you would get your true lockdown - but drive the country further to the abyss. Bad enough as it is.

And Schools open and it is a legal requirement to send ones kids to school. So pretty much most under age of 50 with kids are on the move and those over 50 who have to work and are not retired on healthy pensions are on the move. In meantime, as I see it, the Tory government has decided, as a token gesture, to bankrupt small specialist retailers, publicans, restaurant owners, beauticians, and barbers. But allow TESCO/ASDA/JS/MOrrie/lLIDL to prosper. Bizzare.

And despite all the tosh from government in August about kids not getting covid that is in my view boloxx when it comes to secondary schools. I now know of several folk who have had to self isolate and or their kids sent home to self isolate as year group / form bubbles. And have caught Covid - thank goodness so far all I understand have survived and had the bad dose of flu type Covid.

So my uneducated observation Covid is circulating quite nicely in the secondary school system, the hospital health system and every so often breaches into a care home or two.

Well there you go, off loaded that. Best wishes PP, keep safe and tucked up with your cows. I shall think of you as I get my Xmas Stiltons.

It’s the lies and the deceit that annoys me. Fair enough keep schools open, education is important but warn the people that it will spread the disease big time and cost lives.
The government put it about that children aren’t at risk, which was probably true but that doesn’t mean they aren’t super spreaders. This seemed to be glossed over or hidden during the argument to keep schools open. Small “non essential” businesses are as a result needless pointless sacrifices, nothing more than a token gesture.

 

[DrWazzock]

Then there is the saving Christmas nonsense. Saving Christmas will kill more people. That’s a fact.

 

[texas pete]

The pandemic was over in June...we now have a death rate hovering around the five year average.

Do some research folks.

 

[kiwi pom]

Having seen a lot of the streets people live in I am not sure why they are that keen to get out of their houses.

Yes some might be better off at home.
I don't think staying home in a little terraced house with the kids trapped with you is easy to do though. Add in the fact they don't know if they'll have a job or business to go back to or be able to pay the mortgage or rent when the handouts stop and its a fairly stressful situation.
Making a choice to do something is one thing being told or forced to do it is another level.

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Well PP of course there not staying in their houses - unless they are old and infirm! Retired and wealthy. Or solitary farmers!!!

Folk are going to work to keep wolf from door, as not everyone can work to from home with a laptop and Zoom/Teams, nor be furloughed.

Construction, binmen, Teachers, farm workers etc. Jees if they all became furloughed then you would get your true lockdown - but drive the country further to the abyss. Bad enough as it is.

And Schools open and it is a legal requirement to send ones kids to school. So pretty much most under age of 50 with kids are on the move and those over 50 who have to work and are not retired on healthy pensions are on the move. In meantime, as I see it, the Tory government has decided, as a token gesture, to bankrupt small specialist retailers, publicans, restaurant owners, beauticians, and barbers. But allow TESCO/ASDA/JS/MOrrie/lLIDL to prosper. Bizzare.

And despite all the tosh from government in August about kids not getting covid that is in my view boloxx when it comes to secondary schools. I now know of several folk who have had to self isolate and or their kids sent home to self isolate as year group / form bubbles. And have caught Covid - thank goodness so far all I understand have survived and had the bad dose of flu type Covid.

So my uneducated observation Covid is circulating quite nicely in the secondary school system, the hospital health system and every so often breaches into a care home or two.

Well there you go, off loaded that. Best wishes PP, keep safe and tucked up with your cows. I shall think of you as I get my Xmas Stiltons.

Well said and right on the money. This time there are indeed more people getting on with their lives as best they can and so they should. Every day I am hearing about people struggling thanks to the government playing King Canute with the virus and I'm despondent that we're only at the start of a wholesale economic collapse.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Well PP of course there not staying in their houses - unless they are old and infirm! Retired and wealthy. Or solitary farmers!!!

Folk are going to work to keep wolf from door, as not everyone can work to from home with a laptop and Zoom/Teams, nor be furloughed.

Construction, binmen, Teachers, farm workers etc. Jees if they all became furloughed then you would get your true lockdown - but drive the country further to the abyss. Bad enough as it is.

And Schools open and it is a legal requirement to send ones kids to school. So pretty much most under age of 50 with kids are on the move and those over 50 who have to work and are not retired on healthy pensions are on the move. In meantime, as I see it, the Tory government has decided, as a token gesture, to bankrupt small specialist retailers, publicans, restaurant owners, beauticians, and barbers. But allow TESCO/ASDA/JS/MOrrie/lLIDL to prosper. Bizzare.

And despite all the tosh from government in August about kids not getting covid that is in my view boloxx when it comes to secondary schools. I now know of several folk who have had to self isolate and or their kids sent home to self isolate as year group / form bubbles. And have caught Covid - thank goodness so far all I understand have survived and had the bad dose of flu type Covid.

So my uneducated observation Covid is circulating quite nicely in the secondary school system, the hospital health system and every so often breaches into a care home or two.

Well there you go, off loaded that. Best wishes PP, keep safe and tucked up with your cows. I shall think of you as I get my Xmas Stiltons.

The 'locked in their houses' was picking up on the post that I quoted. I have no quibble with people going to work where they cannot work from home and I have no quibble with people shopping and taking exercise as permitted under the rules.

But - for example - the mentality that infuriates me - local police have publicised that they have fined several illegal groups in houses - basically mates gathering for a few beers and drugs - and the general tone of most comments on the local Neighbourhood Watch page is in favour of the gatherings and against the police. People going for a shopping trip not beccause they need essential goods but because the Christmas gifts have arrived in the supermarkets (they said it, not me). Then they will be complaining that when the national lockdown finishes we will be in tier 3. (Our local rate is currently 461/100,000.... cousin in London is 120/100,000 - if they can do it, why can't our market town?).

 

[JCMaloney]

We made the news...

Coronavirus: Trust stops non-urgent operations amid second wave fears

A health boss fears the second wave of the virus will be "much worse than the first".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JCMaloney]

The pandemic was over in June...we now have a death rate hovering around the five year average.

Do some research folks.

In Week 45 (w/e Nov 6th) the number of deaths registered was 14.3% above the five-year average (1,481 deaths higher).

Of the deaths registered in Week 45, 1,937 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 16.4% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase of 558 deaths compared with Week 44 (when there were 1,379 deaths involving COVID-19, accounting for 12.7% of all deaths).

Of the 1,937 deaths that involved COVID-19, 1,743 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (90.0%); of the 2,267 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 307 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (13.5%).

The number of deaths in hospitals was above the five-year average in Week 45 for the third consecutive week (520 more deaths); the number of deaths in private homes and care homes was also above the five-year average (997 and 38 more deaths respectively), but deaths in other locations were below the five-year average (76 fewer deaths).


Sorry.... been lumbered with some other work linking our averages & comparisons with the ONS numbers.