The Ineos Grenadier thread

[vantage]

Fantastic. Using good solid switchgear and very aeronautical styling, the leather wheel is also a nice touch.

 

[Still Farming]

French is it?

 

[vantage]

French is it?

Assembled there, with components sourced Worldwide I think.

 

[Highland Mule]

Notice that the designer put his arm out the window at one point in the film, so definitely a nod to defender ergonomics in that.

Not sure about the above head switchgear though - can see that being a problem/ issue for anyone with varifocal glasses which is likely to be a fair chunk of the target market. Don't really want to have to buy pilot spec ones with reading bit at top and bottom.

 

[Kildare]

Notice that the designer put his arm out the window at one point in the film, so definitely a nod to defender ergonomics in that.

Not sure about the above head switchgear though - can see that being a problem/ issue for anyone with varifocal glasses which is likely to be a fair chunk of the target market. Don't really want to have to buy pilot spec ones with reading bit at top and bottom.

Nor sure if its me but I think the steering wheel is off centre. Maybe that's why he had to put his arm out.

 

[JeepJeep]

Professional Pickup & 4x4's View

 

[Muck Spreader]

Professional Pickup & 4x4's View

It looks the business, they just need to get some in the hands of serious users to get a proper assessment of its performance and reliability. However, it does look like it could actually go off road without causing £5k of damage, which is more than can be said for most current 4x4s.

 

[JeepJeep]

It looks the business, they just need to get some in the hands of serious users to get a proper assessment of its performance and reliability. However, it does look like it could actually go off road without causing £5k of damage, which is more than can be said for most current 4x4s.

They're not bad

 

[CPF]

So going to do a pickup as well

 

[Tubbylew]

Any takers then?

 

[Tractorstant]

Saw two of these in Austrian plates drive through here the other day. Had to double take for a Defender 90/110/ Looking forward to seeing it up close.

 

[Cowabunga]

Assembled there, with components sourced Worldwide I think.

Major components are mostly from Germany with axles from Italy. It is most unfortunate that they chose BMW for their engines, because they are notoriously difficult and expensive to repair. Not designed for ease of repair at all and not having a reputation for being particularly durable either. The rest of the vehicle looks promising and its performance should be good though.

 

[Cowabunga]

Any takers then?

Five to ten years ago, indeed twenty years ago I would be reserving a pickup version but seeing as that will not be delivered probably until 2025, that is just too late for me. By that time I will have no need for such a vehicle. In fact I'm looking forward to having an electric SUV in about three year's time. The way it looks just now it will probably be a Tesla model Y or a Kia similar to what they have just launched. However things and choices will change very rapidly over the next five years, having started already. BMW, for instance, have just launched an all electric alternative to their X5, which has amazing performance.

 

[dave mountain]

Major components are mostly from Germany with axles from Italy. It is most unfortunate that they chose BMW for their engines, because they are notoriously difficult and expensive to repair. Not designed for ease of repair at all and not having a reputation for being particularly durable either. The rest of the vehicle looks promising and its performance should be good though.

Though i would much rather see a toyota 1HD, nissan TD42 or a cummins 6BT, i think the sad fact of the matter is that any reasonably powerful engine which can get through the latest UK emissions regs is going to be complicated and difficult to repair, so BMW probably isnt a bad choice.

 

[vantage]

Five to ten years ago, indeed twenty years ago I would be reserving a pickup version but seeing as that will not be delivered probably until 2025, that is just too late for me. By that time I will have no need for such a vehicle. In fact I'm looking forward to having an electric SUV in about three year's time. The way it looks just now it will probably be a Tesla model Y or a Kia similar to what they have just launched. However things and choices will change very rapidly over the next five years, having started already. BMW, for instance, have just launched an all electric alternative to their X5, which has amazing performance.

Ineos could drop that electrification into the Grenadier, probably not too important where the terrain has no charging stations.

 

[Cowabunga]

Ineos could drop that electrification into the Grenadier, probably not too important where the terrain has no charging stations.

That's the point. It is a vehicle for third world countries and places where electricity is not available over long distances. It is not really a vehicle for the future, it is a dinosaur about to be reborn into a new age.
I've no doubt that it will find a home with, paradoxically, utility companies including electric distribution and so on. However for most people, famers, builders, plant operators and the armed forces, we have moved on from Defender type vehicles. Like the chap in the last video above, many of the most vocal enthusiasts will not be buying one of these Grenadiers if only because a significant proportion of them can't afford a pot to pee in.

 

[hally]

Is it me or would it be a brave man to buy one of the first considering you would be buying a complex machine from a company that has never built anything mechanical let alone a car. Surely there is bound to be considerable teething problems.

 

[Cowabunga]

Is it me or would it be a brave man to buy one of the first considering you would be buying a complex machine from a company that has never built anything mechanical let alone a car. Surely there is bound to be considerable teething problems.

They are building it in a Mercedes factory using workers that will mainly be ex Mercedes assembly plant. The engines and transmissions are proven but not so sure about the Carraro axles. Maybe Carraro have proven truck axles? I don't know.
Having said that, there will be inevitable early glitches as indeed there have been in abundance with the new Defender. The big issue is how they will be dealt with by Ineos and their new service dealerships. That is where the issues are more likely to be, especially if they choose to go down the road of using mainly existing BMW dealers who will welcome work trucks as if they were infected with covid or even ebola.

 

[Tubbylew]

Grenadiers if only because a significant proportion of them can't afford a pot to pee in

Must admit I'm only following their progress with interest, I have no current capabillity to buy one. It does seem to fit the bill more than any other truck available but ironically the only real misgivings I have are the association with the old defender, they seem to have designed a prefectly capable vehicle, i'd hate to see it end up like the santana.

 

[on yer bike]

Me too, at 30k ( according to the paper this morning) with 6 cylinder engine , 8 speed box and waterproof recaro seats they could be on to a winner

48k according to motoring magazines, seems too expensive