The Madness of Eco Lunacy

[Bald Rick]

It really makes me wonder.

Consider this ....

The Green Power Company has gone bust citing the cost of gas. Yet I have taken this off their website:

We are the UK's only supplier of 100% green gas and renewable electricity. Find out more about our ethical, sustainable energy and switch to GEUK today.

Then I also hear our Dear Leader at the UN praising the President of Pakistan, Imran Khan, for pledging to plant 10 BILLION trees. Where are these going to go?
He also praised China for saying that they aren't going to fund coal powered electricity stations in other countries ... but they are not stopping building their own until 2030 when they expect to reach peak emissions.

Is it me or is it all bollox?

 

[vantage]

Is it me or is it all bollox?

 

[7610 super q]

After banning their own peat extraction.......

Almost 4,000t of Latvian peat arrives in Ireland

The shipment is a result of a High Court ruling in 2019 which effectively banned the harvesting of peat from Irish bogs.

www.farmersjournal.ie

 

[tje]

Watched a Jordan Peterson interview the night on You tube , and he described our ( the west ) political leaders leaders as naive children ( compared to the Chinese and Russians ) and that just about sums up the Global situation .

 

[Bogweevil]

Well, all gas goes into the public supply but presumably their contribution has been bought off biogas suppliers. Their leccy is clearly wind, hydro or some other non natural gas or coal source. Pity if there was a nice little premium for biogas producers, now lost.

Pakistan is bustard big country 881,913 km², so I expect they can find space for lots of trees, even if much is desert, there are lots of mountainsides. UK is 242,495 km², France 551,500 sq km.

China contends that as it was the developed countries who have got us in this mess with 200 years of industrial CO2 emissions, why should the Chinese suffer to get us out of this mess? Also we have de-industrialised and effectively exported our pollution to China. They have a point but unless they are more flexible climate change will be uncontrollable. Per head of course China lags way behind the UK, but we lag behind the dirty countries - USA, Aussie, Canada, who should know better. Russia, S Arabia, what can you say, plug those methane leaks you dirty bustards?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Well, all gas goes into the public supply but presumably their contribution has been bought off biogas suppliers. Their leccy is clearly wind, hydro or some other non natural gas or coal source. Pity if there was a nice little premium for biogas producers, now lost.

Pakistan is bustard big country 881,913 km², so I expect they can find space for lots of trees, even if much is desert, there are lots of mountainsides. UK is 242,495 km², France 551,500 sq km.

China contends that as it was the developed countries who have got us in this mess with 200 years of industrial CO2 emissions, why should the Chinese suffer to get us out of this mess? Also we have de-industrialised and effectively exported our pollution to China. They have a point but unless they are more flexible climate change will be uncontrollable. Per head of course China lags way behind the UK, but we lag behind the dirty countries - USA, Aussie, Canada, who should know better. Russia, S Arabia, what can you say, plug those methane leaks you dirty bustards?

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well Mr Woke Justin Trudeau better pull his finger out then, I think the politicians on the left have muddled up talking the talk, with walking the walk, especially as far as I am aware the first heavyweight politician to seriously consider Climate Change was Margaret Thatcher.

 

[C.J]

well Mr Woke Justin Trudeau better pull his finger out then, I think the politicians on the left have muddled up talking the talk, with walking the walk, especially as far as I am aware the first heavyweight politician to seriously consider Climate Change was Margaret Thatcher.

In retirement she had nothing more to say about the environment until her 2002 memoirs, when she rejected Al Gore and what she called his "doomist" predictions.

Margaret Thatcher was not a true believer - but it was a convienient theory to use against the miners.

 

[Farfrae]

Of course when you start talking about reducing emissions the one that never gets mentioned is the military industrial complex.

The US military is one of the largest polluters in history, consuming more liquid fuels and emitting more climate-changing gases than most medium-sized countries. If the US military were a country, its fuel usage alone would make it the 47th largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world, sitting between Peru and Portugal.

Then add in all the other armed forces in the world and you've got a massive amount of emissions that no one talks about. Seems if we were actually serious about wanting to reduce emissions banning wars would be a good place to start; but of course much of the US economy relies on wars. Too many people make a lot of money from war (A situation that has existed forever).

A very good rule in all these cases 'follow the money', it will often lead you to the answer.

https://theconversation.com/us-mili...s-shrinking-this-war-machine-is-a-must-119269

 

[Hindsight]

Of course when you start talking about reducing emissions the one that never gets mentioned is the military industrial complex.

The US military is one of the largest polluters in history, consuming more liquid fuels and emitting more climate-changing gases than most medium-sized countries. If the US military were a country, its fuel usage alone would make it the 47th largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world, sitting between Peru and Portugal.

Then add in all the other armed forces in the world and you've got a massive amount of emissions that no one talks about. Seems if we were actually serious about wanting to reduce emissions banning wars would be a good place to start; but of course much of the US economy relies on wars. Too many people make a lot of money from war (A situation that has existed forever).

A very good rule in all these cases 'follow the money', it will often lead you to the answer.

https://theconversation.com/us-mili...s-shrinking-this-war-machine-is-a-must-119269

You clearly have never seen me in full rant as I watch the Typhoons circle over our house playing dog fights and then set off vertically with after burners in full roar. I shout (pointlessly) that wat they are doing is unnecessary but hey, who cares.

 

[delilah]

Is it me or is it all bollox?

Is what bollox ?

 

[egbert]

After banning their own peat extraction.......

Almost 4,000t of Latvian peat arrives in Ireland

The shipment is a result of a High Court ruling in 2019 which effectively banned the harvesting of peat from Irish bogs.

www.farmersjournal.ie

er...what I'm hearing is that the Irish gov had had to back down - digging peat being central to their national identity an all.

 

[Bald Rick]

Well, all gas goes into the public supply but presumably their contribution has been bought off biogas suppliers. Their leccy is clearly wind, hydro or some other non natural gas or coal source. Pity if there was a nice little premium for biogas producers, now lost.

Pakistan is bustard big country 881,913 km², so I expect they can find space for lots of trees, even if much is desert, there are lots of mountainsides. UK is 242,495 km², France 551,500 sq km.

China contends that as it was the developed countries who have got us in this mess with 200 years of industrial CO2 emissions, why should the Chinese suffer to get us out of this mess? Also we have de-industrialised and effectively exported our pollution to China. They have a point but unless they are more flexible climate change will be uncontrollable. Per head of course China lags way behind the UK, but we lag behind the dirty countries - USA, Aussie, Canada, who should know better. Russia, S Arabia, what can you say, plug those methane leaks you dirty bustards?

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Ok, let’s take these in order.

If Green Power were sourcing their power exclusively from renewables (which is patently nonsense as power to homes and businesses comes from the National Grid unless hooked directly into an alternative source), they should have been immune to gas rises as I doubt the wholesale price of AD gas or wind power has risen to extentbit would make them go broke ... but go broke they have ergo they are ultimately telling porkies to their customers

Pakistan. Having lived there on and off for 20 odd years, I really do have no idea where Khan thinks he’s going to plant 10bn trees. Some of the better planting areas would be in the NW Frontier or Swat but good luck with that as it’s all tribal. Punjab? Highly fertile but land largely owned by rich men and they need the food etc that grows there. Sind? See Punjab.
It’s a sound bite. No more, no less.

China. Not even going to attend COP26 and commission new coal fired stations every week and are currently responsible for burning 50% of all world’s coal . I do, though, take your point that the First World has benefitted from industry long before they came to the party but boy are they making up for it now.

 

[7610 super q]

er...what I'm hearing is that the Irish gov had had to back down - digging peat being central to their national identity an all.

Lunacy banning digging your own, then digging some up elsewhere and adding fuel burnt transporting it around the globe.
Bit like cutting back on meat production in the UK, only to import it from countries clearing rain forest to produce it....
Or carefully separating waste for recycling in Blighty, only to find it exported to be burnt in China....
Or carefully bagging up dog shite to hang up on a branch where it'll remain for 1000 years...

But I digress...........

 

[Bald Rick]

Is what bollox ?

Where do you start?

Let’s be clear. Until and unless the big emitting countries make significant and sustained changes, we are tinkering.
Yes, we have to make some fundamental changes here in the U.K. but jeez, as soon as Boris announces a relaxation in US travel, BA booking went up 700% overnight. No doubt BA will plant some trees ....

So it’s all bollox and don’t start me on EVs

 

[JohnGalway]

After banning their own peat extraction.......

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/almost-4-000t-of-latvian-p

It's hard to see any possibility of an end to silly sh1t like that. The green party are one of the three parties in Government, but it's the other two parties that gave them the keys to power. The "alternative" is a left leaning coalition that would also likely include the green party

 

[uztrac]

You clearly have never seen me in full rant as I watch the Typhoons circle over our house playing dog fights and then set off vertically with after burners in full roar. I shout (pointlessly) that wat they are doing is unnecessary but hey, who cares.

I have a similar situation with the F35's from Marham & F15's from Lakenheath. I welcome them over my patch.At least they are our's ie UK & USA,and not some other entity Long may it remain so.

 

[JohnGalway]

er...what I'm hearing is that the Irish gov had had to back down - digging peat being central to their national identity an all.

For heating domestic homes, not fueling power stations or horticulture.

 

[Tha Ulsterscot]

After banning their own peat extraction.......

Almost 4,000t of Latvian peat arrives in Ireland

The shipment is a result of a High Court ruling in 2019 which effectively banned the harvesting of peat from Irish bogs.

www.farmersjournal.ie

The worlds gone mad, this ^ as well as cutting the Irish beef herd and importing more from God knows where.

 

[Bald Rick]

Is what bollox ?

And even you @delilah cannot help but think this is too ....

The anti methane burp mask. Even the cow thinks it’s ‘kin ridiculous but Cargills are going to market them

WTF

 

[delilah]

Where do you start?

Let’s be clear. Until and unless the big emitting countries make significant and sustained changes, we are tinkering.
Yes, we have to make some fundamental changes here in the U.K. but jeez, as soon as Boris announces a relaxation in US travel, BA booking went up 700% overnight. No doubt BA will plant some trees ....

So it’s all bollox and don’t start me on EVs

Oh, OK. Folks in the UK making efforts to live in a more environmentally benign way, whilst other countries produce more pollution than us, is bollox ?

1) On a per capita basis - the only moral way to make these calculations - we are worse than pretty much any other country.

2) Much of our pollution is carried out on our behalf by other countries. Blaming them is like chucking your dog crap over the fence into next doors garden, and then moaning about the stink.

3) We started all this. 'This' being the industrial revolution. 'This' being our subjugation of the poor, painting the world pink blah blah. Only right that we start the reparations.

I wouldn't say it was bollox that we do our bit, I would say it would be morally reprehensible not to do so.