The NI/ROI Protocol

[Ashtree]

Arlene Foster said again on RTÉ this week, if there ever was a United Ireland, or another kind of arrangement joining NI with ROI she would leave the country. Said she couldn’t countenance living in Ireland which wasn’t British.
I thought to myself, you see no problem with the circa 40 to 50 odd percent nationalists who are Irish, being forced to live in a British province for the past 100 years!!! That’s ok apparently!!
I thought you are a long standing unionist politician, representative and advocate, who would abandon your kith and kin, and refuse to stay and advocate for all those who voted for you, and trusted in you.
I thought , what an utterly shallow person you are!
What a weak leader. So utterly weak.

 

[wdah/him]

Arlene Foster said again on RTÉ this week, if there ever was a United Ireland, or another kind of arrangement joining NI with ROI she would leave the country. Said she couldn’t countenance living in Ireland which wasn’t British.
I thought to myself, you see no problem with the circa 40 to 50 odd percent nationalists who are Irish, being forced to live in a British province for the past 100 years!!! That’s ok apparently!!
I thought you are a long standing unionist politician, representative and advocate, who would abandon your kith and kin, and refuse to stay and advocate for all those who voted for you, and trusted in you.
I thought , what an utterly shallow person you are!
What a weak leader. So utterly weak.

To a similar vien. Those who want to live in Ireland can just buy a house the other side of the border. Their own choice don't make it everyone's

 

[tje]

Probably scared of having a bullet put in her skull , like her father had when she was a child , these things do effect you ...maybe a bit more understanding is required ??

Arlene Foster said again on RTÉ this week, if there ever was a United Ireland, or another kind of arrangement joining NI with ROI she would leave the country. Said she couldn’t countenance living in Ireland which wasn’t British.
I thought to myself, you see no problem with the circa 40 to 50 odd percent nationalists who are Irish, being forced to live in a British province for the past 100 years!!! That’s ok apparently!!
I thought you are a long standing unionist politician, representative and advocate, who would abandon your kith and kin, and refuse to stay and advocate for all those who voted for you, and trusted in you.
I thought , what an utterly shallow person you are!
What a weak leader. So utterly weak.

 

[M-J-G]

Probably scared of having a bullet put in her skull , like her father had when she was a child , these things do effect you ...maybe a bit more understanding is required ??

He was very lucky though!

Are many people shot in the head by terrorists in ROI these days?

 

[tje]

No ,not these days , not many left though .....after the Civil War a fair few scores were settled , houses burnt , so called informers shot and history does repeat itself .

 

[The Agrarian]

Two things.

MJG doesn't understand that identity, nationality, cultural roots, ethnic roots, history and so on, are not dependent upon the government of the day being sympathetic. Nor is it anything at all to do with the Queen or the monarchy. These things transcend generations, and cannot be bought or sold. At least mine can't. You should notice that the Irish don't sell theirs either, and it isn't dependent upon whether FG or FF or Sinn Fein or the DUP or Labour or Conservatives are in power. It's irrelevant. Identity and heritage are bigger than mere politics of the day.

Ashtree doesn't let on to understand (though I reckon he probably does perfectly well) that, while Northern Ireland has been under British (debatable, you could mention the Normans) jurisdiction for the past 800 years, with a little to and fro, an Irish identity has never been under threat. And today, the possibility of being able to confidently identify as being Irish in a territorial part of the UK has arguably never been any stronger since the turn of the last century. If Northern Ireland removes Britain constitutionally, the right for planters and their future generations to be confidently of British heritage also will evaporate. That might not bother you, but it strips a fundamental right from the heart of people's being. That is why Foster will not stay and see her identity diminished.

 

[nivilla1982]

Some will criticise Foster for saying she would leave NI in the event of a 32 county state coming about. Unionism however will have ceased at that point because the primary reason for been unionist will be gone. So as the @The Agrarian says a fundamental part of her identity (and others) will have lost a significant component of it.

 

[nivilla1982]

Oh, so its to the dysfunctional family.
Not sure the old woman cares much either.

Did I mention the Royal family?

 

[M-J-G]

Did I mention the Royal family?

So you're not loyal to the UK Government or the British Monarch and they aren't doing you (as a faithful Unionist/Loyalist) any favours, which makes it at least mutual.
Bit of a shame things have gotten to this stage really.

 

[M-J-G]

Two things.

MJG doesn't understand that identity, nationality, cultural roots, ethnic roots, history and so on, are not dependent upon the government of the day being sympathetic. Nor is it anything at all to do with the Queen or the monarchy. These things transcend generations, and cannot be bought or sold. At least mine can't. You should notice that the Irish don't sell theirs either, and it isn't dependent upon whether FG or FF or Sinn Fein or the DUP or Labour or Conservatives are in power. It's irrelevant. Identity and heritage are bigger than mere politics of the day.

Ashtree doesn't let on to understand (though I reckon he probably does perfectly well) that, while Northern Ireland has been under British (debatable, you could mention the Normans) jurisdiction for the past 800 years, with a little to and fro, an Irish identity has never been under threat. And today, the possibility of being able to confidently identify as being Irish in a territorial part of the UK has arguably never been any stronger since the turn of the last century. If Northern Ireland removes Britain constitutionally, the right for planters and their future generations to be confidently of British heritage also will evaporate. That might not bother you, but it strips a fundamental right from the heart of people's being. That is why Foster will not stay and see her identity diminished.

I understand fine brother, I'm just entertained by this nonsense I was lucky enough to move away from some time ago after a childhood to listening to brainwashed individuals attempting to convince me that the church and the union were important parts of my life.

To me tradition and heritage are no deeper than a basic state of mind and are conveniently forgotten when it comes to cash.

 

[M-J-G]

Some will criticise Foster for saying she would leave NI in the event of a 32 county state coming about. Unionism however will have ceased at that point because the primary reason for been unionist will be gone. So as the @The Agrarian says a fundamental part of her identity (and others) will have lost a significant component of it.

I think of the things foster could be criticised for, moving to the mainland would be the least of them, it might even allow her to open her mind a bit as to how it would make more sense to be on the inside looking out after her spending a lifetime being on the outside looking in

 

[nivilla1982]

So you're not loyal to the UK Government or the British Monarch and they aren't doing you (as a faithful Unionist/Loyalist) any favours, which makes it at least mutual.
Bit of a shame things have gotten to this stage really.

Your words not mine.

 

[M-J-G]

Your words not mine.

I know, you are generally quite benign and just copy and paste articles and links as opposed to posting an actual opinion.

 

[nivilla1982]

I know, you are generally quite benign and just copy and paste articles and links as opposed to posting an actual opinion.

I know what I am loyal to and why I am thus. Quite simply I am What I am.

 

[nivilla1982]

Blair International (Transport Company) (Paisley Junior is apparently involved with this case) are also launching a legal action against the protocol. Their action separate from the political unionism one is based on the premise that the protocol infringe the economic rights of Northern Ireland citizens, while the parities' action is focused on constitutional issues.

 

[M-J-G]

Blair International (Transport Company) (Paisley Junior is apparently involved with this case) are also launching a legal action against the protocol. Their action separate from the political unionism one is based on the premise that the protocol infringe the economic rights of Northern Ireland citizens, while the parities' action is focused on constitutional issues.

And what do you think?

 

[M-J-G]

I know what I am loyal to and why I am thus. Quite simply I am What I am.

Yeah the nature of what you share (and more so what you don't) would be indicative of that

 

[nivilla1982]

An interesting argument focusing on economic rights rather the constitutional and political arguments. Presumably if their action is successful, it opens up the governments and others for litigation from business that incurred costs as a direct result of the protocol and its implementation
Not sure why Paisley Jr is involved in this particular case, other than the business is based in his constituency.

 

[M-J-G]

An interesting argument focusing on economic rights rather the constitutional and political arguments. Presumably if their action is successful, it opens up the governments and others for litigation from business that incurred costs as a direct result of the protocol and its implementation
Not sure why Paisley Jr is involved in this particular case, other than the business is based in his constituency.

I'd guess that won't be much of a mystery as it's probably either to get money for one of his own business or to get a brown envelope from someone else's.

 

[Farm buy]

Some will criticise Foster for saying she would leave NI in the event of a 32 county state coming about. Unionism however will have ceased at that point because the primary reason for been unionist will be gone. So as the @The Agrarian says a fundamental part of her identity (and others) will have lost a significant component of it.

I can understand her views. A bit like renting land, when new owners take over the tenant often feel uncomfortable continuing the grazing.