The offensive and disgraceful PATRONISING by Michael Gove!!!!

[Henarar]

Much of New Zealand is similar to the UK. We have areas where we can grow fruit and grapes which would not be possible in the UK, those areas are not that large and in general the farming areas are very similar, the main difference between the 2 countries is in culture, attitude and mindset.

yep there seems plenty of attitude

 

[texas pete]

You've been looking over the fence at what i do

You can't be doing it like that in this country "it doesn't work".

 

[gone up the hill]

You can't be doing it like that in this country "it doesn't work".

So tell us about what you farm @texas pete and your production system...

 

[gone up the hill]

Quite clear given the amount of farmers on this thread from other country's that they see UK farming exports as a massive threat post Brexit hence why they are so keen to see UK subs go and UK farmers forced out of business.

Then you have the likes of Ollie.................................

 

[Bury the Trash]

I was meaning agriculturally, of course there are countless differences between the two in many ways, population being one (which agriculturally is a benefit to the UK).

There have been numerous posts on this Forum comparing Norway with the UK usually along the lines of why can the UK not be more like Norway, NZ is more like the UK than Norway is particularly agriculturally, interestingly NZ is more like Norway culturally, socially and in attitude than the UK is.

Yes, theoretically financially - with more people but not physically better for farming logistics and scale/size wise and the hassle of always being overlooked by houses / villages / towns / cities ..crowded roads and so on ..and gets you down .....i remember miles and miles of few people and open roads and country on South Island.

I've not heard the Norway comparison around here .
...........must be a forum thing ...Just add it to the list of forum things not to take any notice of whats so ever, is my advice.......

 

[Global ovine]

Quite clear given the amount of farmers on this thread from other country's that they see UK farming exports as a massive threat post Brexit hence why they are so keen to see UK subs go and UK farmers forced out of business.
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What utter rubbish. UK will never be a significant threat to any other country's agricultural opportunities as it has too many internal factions that will keep a lid on production for reasons that command more electoral leverage than farmers could ever collectively muster. All these superimposed on a land tenure system where many of those doing the work cannot receive the full value for their input in land improvement and protection.
Take a look at what commodity tonnages are now surplus to UK demand if no imports replaced them. Across the board there is a big hole.
Much of the comment from "other countries" can be interpreted as their view of where opportunities and threats are for the UK farmers and given freely, or these can be taken negatively and seen as an insult. The latter interpretation depends on how deep the hole is where you have put your head.

 

[M-J-G]

A beef farmer says;

Doesn't matter as long as it's beef.

Doesn't matter as long as it's Scottish beef

Doesn't matter as long as it's Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef.

Doesn't matter as long as it's AA Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef.

Doesn't matter as long as it's AA Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef that's off an AA bull that was bred by Breeder XYZ.


Doesn't matter as long as it's AA Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef that's off an AA bull that was bred by Breeder XYZ , then the beef farmer comes over awash with honesty and finally admits......

I don't actually give a f#€k As long as it's my beef

The reality is that people only give a toss about themselves, it's human nature, regardless of how they try to portray themselves as concerned citizens that only have the best interests of the world, environment, the greater farming community at heart.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Quite clear given the amount of farmers on this thread from other country's that they see UK farming exports as a massive threat post Brexit hence why they are so keen to see UK subs go and UK farmers forced out of business.

Then you have the likes of Ollie.................................

You are being sarcastic?

 

[stewart]

Yes, theoretically financially - with more people but not physically better for farming logistics and scale/size wise and the hassle of always being overlooked by houses / villages / towns / cities ..crowded roads and so on ..and gets you down .....i remember miles and miles of few people and open roads and country on South Island.

I've not heard the Norway comparison around here .
...........must be a forum thing ...Just add it to the list of forum things not to take any notice of whats so ever, is my advice.......

Yes agree, it is preferable to farm without being overlooked by houses etc etc. South Island is far less populated than we are, there is more and more traffic on our local roads, when I got to the T junction at the end of our road there was 2 cars in front of me, it could be time to move.

 

[stewart]

Quite clear given the amount of farmers on this thread from other country's that they see UK farming exports as a massive threat post Brexit hence why they are so keen to see UK subs go and UK farmers forced out of business.

Then you have the likes of Ollie.................................

Clear as mud!! I could not really care less whether the UK keeps subs or not. Neither do I consider them a threat.

From a "competition in exports" perspective it would be beneficial to NZ if the UK kept subs, farmers could then bumble along, as they are now, with just enough to keep them afloat, worrying about the subsidy cheque and not being too concerned with exporting. In the event of subs dissapearing their focus may change, realising that to make a living they have to go out and sell what they produce, even then I personally would not be too concerned, the UK has a large home market so exports would be minimal,for the UK to be effective in exports they would be starting from scratch going up against a marketing machine that has been operating successfully for over 30 years, good luck!!

 

[Bojangles]

British farmers look to NZ model after Brexit
Dont think that any other country's are too worried about us damaging their markets. It is worth remembering how insignificant UK agriculture actually is on a global scale. The only way forward as far as I can see is to secure the significance of UK produce to the British people because I can assure you no one else really cares about our produce. There are many country's that will be planning on using getting their produce in to the UK as a bargaining chip when negotiating new trade deals with Westminster

Read this in the Australian Financial review the other day.


Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/agricul...el-after-brexit-20180115-h0iugj#ixzz54bHNoRzh
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http://www.afr.com/business/agricul...look-to-nz-model-after-brexit-20180115-h0iugj

 

[Henarar]

A beef farmer says;

Doesn't matter as long as it's beef.

Doesn't matter as long as it's Scottish beef

Doesn't matter as long as it's Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef.

Doesn't matter as long as it's AA Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef.

Doesn't matter as long as it's AA Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef that's off an AA bull that was bred by Breeder XYZ.


Doesn't matter as long as it's AA Scottish beef that's labelled as Scotch Beef that's off an AA bull that was bred by Breeder XYZ , then the beef farmer comes over awash with honesty and finally admits......

I don't actually give a f#€k As long as it's my beef

The reality is that people only give a toss about themselves, it's human nature, regardless of how they try to portray themselves as concerned citizens that only have the best interests of the world, environment, the greater farming community at heart.

speak for yourself

 

[Bury the Trash]

Great post @Kiwi Pete

What's the thinking behind putting the triplets out on the rough ground with singles?

Typical over here would be triplets on the best grass or in a extra special pen in the shed to be well fed.

he must've missed the alert

 

[FonterraFarmer]

he must've missed the alert

Friday night......

 

[Bury the Trash]

Friday night......

Wow you Kiwis are really widening the gap. ..... now 36 hrs ahead instead 13.....

 

[Henarar]

To much swill

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Great post @Kiwi Pete

What's the thinking behind putting the triplets out on the rough ground with singles?

Typical over here would be triplets on the best grass or in a extra special pen in the shed to be well fed.

Cheers mate - generally triplets are hindered by disturbance more than twins, and keeping birthweights lower in these groups helps the ewe with birthing (remembering these ewes are free-lambing types)
Putting them up in the tussock etc is a bit like losing your keys or cutting up the credit card, in that it stops us from creating issues. All they really want is food and shelter and "scrub" - the stuff we used to be encouraged to clear - is about the best habitat ever for sheep, certainly that's where the best shelter is, and plenty of milk is the result of more shelter and more room to roam.

Odd how farming has suffered from all this wonderful advice and pressure over the years - going from natural capital to trying to recreate the same things with bank capital and human labour.

So yes, "nature takes it's course" in that the lambs come down off the hill with mum fit as a fiddle, whereas out in paddocks on the better tucker would lead to more problems - metabolic issues from extra milk demand and richer pastures, less shelter availability, more human activity...

Not exactly "progress of the species" that it now seems unfeasible to many on here to let animals be animals and landscapes be landscapes!
Gone are the days of Corriedales and such, that rapidly depart the scene when they see people, our modern sheep do better with "binocular farming" methods, intervention selects for issues in any facet of life on earth.

My wee hoggets are great mums, it is going to be a joy next year when they lamb 'properly'.
They should hopefully raise 1.8 as 2ths- that's the goal anyway. And hopefully no triplets!

Dorper cross lambs look like little goats I think

 

[Kiwi Pete]

he must've missed the alert

Have just been checking up on a few neighbours today.
Getting a bit dry around the place now, so thought I'd make sure my mates are hacking it and not in too much stress about lack of feed - we expect it dry around now but not to start in September..

In NZ you are twice more likely to die by your own hand than in a MVA, not on my watch hopefully, have been deep in the pits during my years on earth, so I feel a bit of a duty to help keep the black dog on the run.

But yes did miss the alert sorry @exmoor dave usually awake to 30-40 and only see the last 10!

 

[Bury the Trash]

To much swill

dunno

 

[exmoor dave]

Cheers mate - generally triplets are hindered by disturbance more than twins, and keeping birthweights lower in these groups helps the ewe with birthing (remembering these ewes are free-lambing types)
Putting them up in the tussock etc is a bit like losing your keys or cutting up the credit card, in that it stops us from creating issues. All they really want is food and shelter and "scrub" - the stuff we used to be encouraged to clear - is about the best habitat ever for sheep, certainly that's where the best shelter is, and plenty of milk is the result of more shelter and more room to roam.

Odd how farming has suffered from all this wonderful advice and pressure over the years - going from natural capital to trying to recreate the same things with bank capital and human labour.

So yes, "nature takes it's course" in that the lambs come down off the hill with mum fit as a fiddle, whereas out in paddocks on the better tucker would lead to more problems - metabolic issues from extra milk demand and richer pastures, less shelter availability, more human activity...

Not exactly "progress of the species" that it now seems unfeasible to many on here to let animals be animals and landscapes be landscapes!
Gone are the days of Corriedales and such, that rapidly depart the scene when they see people, our modern sheep do better with "binocular farming" methods, intervention selects for issues in any facet of life on earth.

My wee hoggets are great mums, it is going to be a joy next year when they lamb 'properly'.
They should hopefully raise 1.8 as 2ths- that's the goal anyway. And hopefully no triplets!
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Dorper cross lambs look like little goats I think

Thanks Pete

Using Dorper...... you're not inching your way over to the dark side...... of wool shedders?!