the truth about cheap meat

farmerste

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By Colin M Robinson Family Butchers
THE TRUTH ABOUT CHEAP MEAT

No doubt you are outraged about the horse meat scandal. You have every right to be – criminality, profiteering, potential fraud, all have led to many people eating an animal they would probably prefer to see in the 3.20 at Kempton and possibly also ingesting dangerous veterinary drugs.

However, I’m going to come at this from another angle and it’s this: it’s your own bloody fault. There you go.

I know, I know; you’re not happy. It’s not your fault is it? It’s the government, the supermarkets, criminals and Goodness knows who else.

But it’s not just them, you see. It’s you.

After a week of this story my patience has finally snapped, and it’s time someone told you a few home truths.

Many of us have been banging on for years about this stuff, trying to make you care about the need for better food labeling, about fairness for farmers, about the need to support local farms to avoid all our food coming from giant, uncaring corporate agri-businesses which churn out cheap product to feed the insatiable appetite of supermarket price-cutting.

We’ve been highlighting the unfairness of UK farmers being forced to meet 73 different regulations to sell to supermarkets which don’t apply to foreign suppliers, and talking about our children growing up with no understanding of food production and, more than all of this, about the way supermarkets have driven down and down and down the cost of meat to the point where people think it’s normal to buy 3lbs of beef (in burgers) for 90p.

And you wouldn’t listen. It was like shouting into a gale.

Through the years of New Labour, when farming and the countryside were demonised, you wouldn’t listen. You cheerfully chose to believe that all farmers were Rolls Royce driving aristocrats, as painted by John Prescott. You had no sympathyYou wanted a chicken for £2 and your Sunday roast for a fiver. Well, you got them didn’t you? And hundreds of farmers went to the wall. And you still didn’t care because Turkey slices were ten for 60p.

And now you’re furious, because it turns out that when you pay peanuts for something it’s actually not very good. Who knew eh?

And before you start, don’t even think about the “it’s all right for the rich who can go to local butcher’s shops but what about the poor?” line. The number of people who can’t afford adequate amounts of food is tiny – tragic and wrong, yes, but tiny. Supermarkets don’t make their billions from them hunting in the “reduced” basket, they make their money from millions of everyday folk filling a weekly trolley. You, in other words.

Until the mid 1990s, Britain was also full of good local abattoirs. They were run by people who knew the local farmers who used them, and the local butchers which sold the meat. They were closed in their hundreds by new health and safety regulations which made it impossible for small abattoirs to compete with giant companies doing the job more cheaply.

We tried to tell you, you didn’t care.

And of course, unlike the previous generation you were “too busy” to actually cook. You were so busy that the idea of making a meal, then making two more out of the left-overs, was like something from Cider With Rosie to you. You bought a meal every night. And so it had to be cheap.

We tried to tell you. You just pointed out that Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall went to Eton and sneered at us.

Cheap rearing abroad. You didn’t care. Cheap slaughtering by machine. You didn’t care. Cheap meat full of crap and off-cuts. You didn’t care. Frozen blocks of meat off-cuts from the abattoir floor being trucked in from Poland to ensure your pack of mince was cheap enough. You didn’t care. In fact you didn’t know, but that’s because you didn’t care.

But we cared. We kept trying to tell you. We launched campaigns, we wrote letters, we raised funds for adverts. Nobody knows what they’re eating anymore, we said. Nobody recognises how hard it is for farmers here to produce quality meat at a price they can sell because of the supermarkets.

And you didn’t care.

Well, now you know you’ve been munching on Dobbin and his various nasty drugs, possibly for years. And now you care.

And yes, you’ve been misled, cheated, lied to. But you must also take some of the responsibility. You didn’t tell supermarkets you wanted quality, you just watched the ads which said “175 products cheaper at Asda this week than Tesco” and went to Asda. You made the market they sold in to, you set their priorities. They gave you what you wanted.

So what will you do now? Now that you care.

How about this…

Rather than just moaning at MPs why not actually think about what you eat, what you buy, where it comes from? Why not visit a farm on an open day? Take the kids, show them where their food comes from. If it’s a good farm, why not try to use your consumer power accordingly to make more farms that way? To make them viable. Why not have a think about how you could make meat go further without spending more, through cooking, and thus be able to buy good, British, assured quality meat?

If you do that, I’ll stop blaming you, and some good may come of all of this.

The culprits responsible for all this will be found, and no doubt tried and hopefully convicted. With luck new rules will be introduced to make a repeat harder. But the market will find a way – it always does. So long as there is a demand for vast quantities of ultra-cheap meat, people will find a way to supply it. So long as people remain uninterested in where their food comes from and how it’s made, someone will cut corners.

It’s a ravenous beast, the market. Like its customers, as it turns out.

So now that you care I’ll tell you that we’ve been highlighting the plight of dairy farmers this year; explaining how supermarkets are paying such a pittance that they can’t stay in business and milk is increasingly coming in from abroad, where standards are lower. Pleasingly people noticed. Some people. If you weren’t one, perhaps, given events, you might like to now?

And when you’ve done that, take a look at the video in the link below, which details the Countryside Alliance’s hard-fought campaign on country-of-origin food labeling. Whilst you were suggesting the CA was only interested in fox hunting, it was doing this, for you, and now you know why.
 

Walterp

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
But it's not really true, is it?

Over the course of the last century, despite unprecedented political and social upheaval across the Globe, the average Western family's weekly spend on food has decreased from 45% to 15% of its budget, whilst experiencing a vast increase in food variety, origin and choice. Clothes, too, have become much, much, cheaper.

Both of these important items are now relatively cheaper than they have ever been, not because of 'rapacious supermarkets' or 'uncaring customers' but simply because of increased productivity - I can keep 400 cattle when my predecessor of 1913 would've struggled to keep 40.

Some items of family expenditure haven't altered much at all in a century, especially entertainment (I'm still watching Julie's re-runs of 'The Pallisers', 'Man About The House' and 'Rising damp'). Housing has, in fact, become much more expensive over time - because every brick still has to be laid by hand, and planning rules restrict land supply.

What am I saying? The guy is plain wrong, although I take his point that the rest of the supply chain don't care 'bout farmers.

But then they never did, did they?
 

snowhite

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Location
BRETAGHNE
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By Colin M Robinson Family Butchers
THE TRUTH ABOUT CHEAP MEAT

No doubt you are outraged about the horse meat scandal. You have every right to be – criminality, profiteering, potential fraud, all have led to many people eating an animal they would probably prefer to see in the 3.20 at Kempton and possibly also ingesting dangerous veterinary drugs.

However, I’m going to come at this from another angle and it’s this: it’s your own bloody fault. There you go.

I know, I know; you’re not happy. It’s not your fault is it? It’s the government, the supermarkets, criminals and Goodness knows who else.

But it’s not just them, you see. It’s you.

After a week of this story my patience has finally snapped, and it’s time someone told you a few home truths.

Many of us have been banging on for years about this stuff, trying to make you care about the need for better food labeling, about fairness for farmers, about the need to support local farms to avoid all our food coming from giant, uncaring corporate agri-businesses which churn out cheap product to feed the insatiable appetite of supermarket price-cutting.

We’ve been highlighting the unfairness of UK farmers being forced to meet 73 different regulations to sell to supermarkets which don’t apply to foreign suppliers, and talking about our children growing up with no understanding of food production and, more than all of this, about the way supermarkets have driven down and down and down the cost of meat to the point where people think it’s normal to buy 3lbs of beef (in burgers) for 90p.

And you wouldn’t listen. It was like shouting into a gale.

Through the years of New Labour, when farming and the countryside were demonised, you wouldn’t listen. You cheerfully chose to believe that all farmers were Rolls Royce driving aristocrats, as painted by John Prescott. You had no sympathyYou wanted a chicken for £2 and your Sunday roast for a fiver. Well, you got them didn’t you? And hundreds of farmers went to the wall. And you still didn’t care because Turkey slices were ten for 60p.

And now you’re furious, because it turns out that when you pay peanuts for something it’s actually not very good. Who knew eh?

And before you start, don’t even think about the “it’s all right for the rich who can go to local butcher’s shops but what about the poor?” line. The number of people who can’t afford adequate amounts of food is tiny – tragic and wrong, yes, but tiny. Supermarkets don’t make their billions from them hunting in the “reduced” basket, they make their money from millions of everyday folk filling a weekly trolley. You, in other words.

Until the mid 1990s, Britain was also full of good local abattoirs. They were run by people who knew the local farmers who used them, and the local butchers which sold the meat. They were closed in their hundreds by new health and safety regulations which made it impossible for small abattoirs to compete with giant companies doing the job more cheaply.

We tried to tell you, you didn’t care.

And of course, unlike the previous generation you were “too busy” to actually cook. You were so busy that the idea of making a meal, then making two more out of the left-overs, was like something from Cider With Rosie to you. You bought a meal every night. And so it had to be cheap.

We tried to tell you. You just pointed out that Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall went to Eton and sneered at us.

Cheap rearing abroad. You didn’t care. Cheap slaughtering by machine. You didn’t care. Cheap meat full of crap and off-cuts. You didn’t care. Frozen blocks of meat off-cuts from the abattoir floor being trucked in from Poland to ensure your pack of mince was cheap enough. You didn’t care. In fact you didn’t know, but that’s because you didn’t care.

But we cared. We kept trying to tell you. We launched campaigns, we wrote letters, we raised funds for adverts. Nobody knows what they’re eating anymore, we said. Nobody recognises how hard it is for farmers here to produce quality meat at a price they can sell because of the supermarkets.

And you didn’t care.

Well, now you know you’ve been munching on Dobbin and his various nasty drugs, possibly for years. And now you care.

And yes, you’ve been misled, cheated, lied to. But you must also take some of the responsibility. You didn’t tell supermarkets you wanted quality, you just watched the ads which said “175 products cheaper at Asda this week than Tesco” and went to Asda. You made the market they sold in to, you set their priorities. They gave you what you wanted.

So what will you do now? Now that you care.

How about this…

Rather than just moaning at MPs why not actually think about what you eat, what you buy, where it comes from? Why not visit a farm on an open day? Take the kids, show them where their food comes from. If it’s a good farm, why not try to use your consumer power accordingly to make more farms that way? To make them viable. Why not have a think about how you could make meat go further without spending more, through cooking, and thus be able to buy good, British, assured quality meat?

If you do that, I’ll stop blaming you, and some good may come of all of this.

The culprits responsible for all this will be found, and no doubt tried and hopefully convicted. With luck new rules will be introduced to make a repeat harder. But the market will find a way – it always does. So long as there is a demand for vast quantities of ultra-cheap meat, people will find a way to supply it. So long as people remain uninterested in where their food comes from and how it’s made, someone will cut corners.

It’s a ravenous beast, the market. Like its customers, as it turns out.

So now that you care I’ll tell you that we’ve been highlighting the plight of dairy farmers this year; explaining how supermarkets are paying such a pittance that they can’t stay in business and milk is increasingly coming in from abroad, where standards are lower. Pleasingly people noticed. Some people. If you weren’t one, perhaps, given events, you might like to now?

And when you’ve done that, take a look at the video in the link below, which details the Countryside Alliance’s hard-fought campaign on country-of-origin food labeling. Whilst you were suggesting the CA was only interested in fox hunting, it was doing this, for you, and now you know why.
sorry i have not the time to read all the above post but from french news the people that imported the horse meat imported offcuts (700 t ) so it was not a load or 2 , this guy started life as a tillage farmer and got into the seed then got to take over the meat plant he is said to have made 550k from his horse meat ,
but people that buy meat in the super 6 burgers for a pound must take some of the blame to
 

Penmoel

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The culprits responsible for all this will be found, and no doubt tried and hopefully convicted. With luck new rules will be introduced to make a repeat harder. But the market will find a way – it always does. So long as there is a demand for vast quantities of ultra-cheap meat, people will find a way to supply it. So long as people remain uninterested in where their food comes from and how it’s made, someone will cut corners.

I think there is a lot of truth in what he says, margins have been squeezed by the end sellers who wanted a product piled high and cheaper than their opposition, the middle men in the food chain and no doubt there are too many who have latched onto the economic term of "adding value" to what they produce.

News headlines say beef is 5 times the price of horsemeat, I would suggest its more like 10 times plus, (£1500 finished steer- <£150 horse)

Perhaps those responsible will be found and prosecuted for what without doubt is fraud, I am afraid though that the arrest of Daffyd Raw -Rees & Co is small fry as he is easy pickings really , especially when a news headline last week stated that Spangherlero (if thats how its spelt?) had actually put 500 tonnes of horsemeat into the food chain.

People want cheap food, someone will circumvent or bend the rules to provide it, primal cuts from various species as stated somewhere else seems the obvious way to market it, 99% of people in ASDA wont even read the label. Or care.
 

Elmsted

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Bucharest
The darn dead horses from Romania where sent to France as cut in half carcases. It is not our fault what happened after. But we are pee'd off as now poultry is being looked in to. As for vet medicines, bute etc get a grip we do nowt as no money in a vet comming. Fact not fiction. No anti wormers available for anything much.
 

joe soapy

Member
Location
devon
Its not new, copied this from somewhere,
Tono Bungay inspired Baird to write a humorous article called How to Make Money for the college magazine in 1913, under the pseudonym H2O:
Some geniuses put whisky and water, with a little cinnamon and sugar, into medicine bottles, label it 'Swamp Root Tonic Laxative – a Pure Vegetable Extract', and sell it at a shilling a bottle. They make millions. Other geniuses make 'Home-Made Strawberry Jam' with wood chips, turnips, and molasses. They make millions. Thousands upon thousands of d****d fools drudge all their lives in drawing offices. They make from 25s to £3.10s per week

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there was also a special sand to incorporate into flour for making bread cheaper..

I still think the horsemeat is a bit of missdirection,. If i want to sell some beef privately, i have to get it killed in an approved facility, inspected, cut up on approved premises, the list goes on. Yet , these big manufacturing companies profess not to even know the species,let alone where or how the ingredients entered the food chain
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
The same principal applies to your local Petrol Station, if we all chase cheap fuel don't complain when your local filling station closes and you don't have a choice but to drive to the nearest supermarket.
 

EJS

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Ashford, Kent
With the greatest respect I still think farmerste has a point, despite the fact that productivity has gone up, I am not convinced that you can produce food alot cheaper today than years ago, not comparable food, not cheap processed pap full of bulkers and filles. Although people spend more on housing and alot less on food, I think an element of that must be because they choose to spend more on 'other' necessities such as holidays, multiple cars per household, eating out etc and therefore choose cheaper food wherever available, when the major supemarkets constantly advertise on cost that is because they know that is the main driver - we no longer value food as we did, and I think that has been shown during this scandal. We don't care about it anymore and the supermarkets know that so, in the main, they source as cheap as possible worldwide. Sorry for rant o_O
 

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