The war in Ukraine...

[Funny Farmer]

Hope the EU know what they are letting themselves in for, the Ukrainians already getting excited.

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Ukraine can claim 186 billion euros in first seven years after joining EU​

EUROPEAN PRAVDA, UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — WEDNESDAY, 4 OCTOBER 2023, 11:56

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Be a few more heading for the exits if that happened. The last thing the EU needs is another millstone like Ukraine. TBH can't see Germany allowing it anyway.

 

[Vader]

Its not personnal.

We all know China is a danger, but just watching Ukraine fold will not make China respect us. Beat Russia in Ukraine & no need to fear China.

China knows we can blow the three gorges dam, they don't want a war with the west.

But where have I said not to support Ukraine..?

 

[Danllan]

Be a few more heading for the exits if that happened. The last thing the EU needs is another millstone like Ukraine. TBH can't see Germany allowing it anyway.

I think the thing that will make Germany and France reluctant to have Ukraine in the EU-proper is not the cost, but that it would mean that power within the block will shift permanently eastward...

 

[Charlie Gill]

The US will transfer thousands of seized Iranian weapons and rounds of ammunition to Ukraine, in a move that could help to alleviate some of the critical shortages facing the Ukrainian military as it awaits more money and equipment from the US and its allies, US officials said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/us-iran-seized-weapons-ukraine/index.html

 

[BrianV]

I think the thing that will make Germany and France reluctant to have Ukraine in the EU-proper is not the cost, but that it would mean that power within the block will shift permanently eastward...

The EU leadership haven't a clue what they are doing & taking on, they don't even know whether they can take their populations along in agreement, there is far too much grandstanding by useless politicians eager to look important & powerful.

 

[Charlie Gill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709591688874807436

Let's be objective.

Despite all of Russia's investments in building defense lines, contaminating fields with mines, demothballing old equipment, and conducting mobilization rotations, Ukraine continues to push its own offensive scenario step by step and impose its will on the battlefield.

The Ukrainian army is breaking the Russian defense line, destroying rear logistics, cutting off Crimea as a transportation hub from the occupation groupings, and depleting Russian reserves. All of this has a cumulative effect. And most importantly, it is getting closer to cutting off the railroad connection, without which it will be simply impossible for Russia to hold the entire Southern Front.

All of this is often happening contrary to military doctrine, as the Ukrainian military is advancing in smaller numbers and is facing a much better supplied and equipped enemy.

Do politicians believe that this is not as fast as the laws of serial drama require, and the schedule of military operations does not fit into the election campaigns? In this case, I would like to draw attention to one detail.

Today, on the 588th day of the war, we are not discussing the Russian offensive. We are discussing the pace of Ukraine's offensive and only occasionally pay attention to the propaganda clamor of Russian officials demanding that the West prevent Russia's defeat.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Once this starts happening too often pressure from inside Russia to escalate things will grow steadily.

Ukraine ‘Hits Kremlin Top-End S-400 Anti-Air System,’ First Time in Mainland Russia​

An SBU source told Kyiv Post they had some advice for Russia – to think about renaming the Triumph anti-aircraft system, two of which have been taken out in one month.

by Stefan Korshak | October 4, 2023, 2:10 pm

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There's a very simple solution to stop that happening again.

 

[Robbt]

The EU leadership haven't a clue what they are doing & taking on, they don't even know whether they can take their populations along in agreement, there is far too much grandstanding by useless politicians eager to look important & powerful.

It really is amazing that the EU leadership haven’t been knocking on your door,you ve got an answer for everything

 

[czechmate]

It really is amazing that the EU leadership haven’t been knocking on your door,you ve got an answer for everything

maybe he turned them down?

 

[Highland Mule]

It really is amazing that the EU leadership haven’t been knocking on your door,you ve got an answer for everything

No - he has an answer for nothing. Never gives any positive thoughts, never writes anything that could be construed at having an idea apart from “they’re wrong”. When anyone give help, it’s wrong, when they hold back that’s wrong too.

 

[czechmate]

No - he has an answer for nothing. Never gives any positive thoughts, never writes anything that could be construed at having an idea apart from “they’re wrong”. When anyone give help, it’s wrong, when they hold back that’s wrong too.

he‘s the sort that if you saw at the bar when you entered the pub… you turned around and went somewhere else

 

[Charlie Gill]

I think discussing Ukraine joining the EU plays straight into putins hand. It's a distraction being used to cause division.

 

[czechmate]

I think discussing Ukraine joining the EU plays straight into putins hand. It's a distraction being used to cause division.

being used by who?

 

[Devil's advocate]

But where have I said not to support Ukraine..?

Love it, sorry thanks Vader, wires crossed somewhere.

I presume you support the coalition helping to arm Ukraine & maybe wish we were doing even more?

 

[Charlie Gill]

being used by who?

Whoever wants to distract from what putin is doing in Ukraine.

 

[BrianV]

I think discussing Ukraine joining the EU plays straight into putins hand. It's a distraction being used to cause division.

The more the EU push & pretend Ukraine will be joining the EU the more Putin can tell his country that it's just a stepping stone to NATO inclusion so the war must go on, the EU are simply playing into Putin's hands as more & more EU countries kick back against it.

 

[BrianV]

Germany not to give Ukraine long-range Taurus missiles in near future​

EUROPEAN PRAVDA, UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — WEDNESDAY, 4 OCTOBER 2023, 21:03

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[BrianV]

Ammo for Kalashnikov rifles smacks more than a little of an air of desperation by the US


A dhow with weapons intercepted in the Gulf of Oman. January 15, 2023. Photo credits: U.S. Navy

The United States transfer confiscated Iranian ammunition to Ukraine​

The United States handed over a batch of confiscated Iranian ammunition to Ukraine.
The U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) reported on this.
The U.S. government transferred approximately 1.1 million 7.62mm rounds to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

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[Hindsight]

Ammo for Kalashnikov rifles smacks more than a little of an air of desperation by the US


A dhow with weapons intercepted in the Gulf of Oman. January 15, 2023. Photo credits: U.S. Navy

The United States transfer confiscated Iranian ammunition to Ukraine​

The United States handed over a batch of confiscated Iranian ammunition to Ukraine.
The U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) reported on this.
The U.S. government transferred approximately 1.1 million 7.62mm rounds to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

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I have this mental picture of you Brian rabidly trawling the internet for these links to post and then crawing ‘that will wind ‘em up’.

 

[BrianV]

I have this mental picture of you Brian rabidly trawling the internet for these links to post and then crawing ‘that will wind ‘em up’.

No need to search it all comes up on here every day.

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